if campbell doesn't start next week

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

Not sure, I heard someone ask about the QB situation and I can just remember him saying he wasn't going to address it.

Yeah he basically said he wasn't going to address any specifics about the game until he has a chance to watch it.

I didn't get the impression he implied anything about Brunell.

The general vibe I got from him is a change is coming. He did mention that he thought about bringing in Collins, and that's the first time we've ever head him even mention the possibility of changing QBs so I think that's significant.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah he basically said he wasn't going to address any specifics about the game until he has a chance to watch it.

I didn't get the impression he implied anything about Brunell.

The general vibe I got from him is a change is coming. He did mention that he thought about bringing in Collins, and that's the first time we've ever head him even mention the possibility of changing QBs so I think that's significant.

I heard the same thing and my thought was Collins? Why bring him in any game unless Brunold is hurt? There's enough film on Collins' 11 years that we know what he can do. We need to know what Campbell will do..

I recall Gibbs-I with great reverence, but more and more I think he's in over his head in todays NFL. The team and offense looks virtually no different than it did 2 years ago. Brunold is doing the same exact things that got him benched in '04. Not throwing the ball downfield, not moving the team, not converting 3rd downs but Gibbs is reluctant to make any change. Does anyone besides Gibbs and Brunold think that #8 is our best chance to win games? 3-6 says he's not. Campbell can lose games and not move the offense, but give him a chance at least.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I heard the same thing and my thought was Collins? Why bring him in any game unless Brunold is hurt?

Because he is our #2 QB.

[SmootSmack]

I think it can be tough to balance the responsibilities of a head coach and the responsibilites of being team president. I think that Gibbs as a coach has nothing more to ever prove to anyone. I don't want him to retire again just yet but if he walks to the podium tomorrow and says he's done then he should be able to do it with his head held high.

Because he has nothing left to prove as a head coach I don't think he's concerned about starting Campbell quite yet. Because what he wants, I think, is for people to be able to say many years down the road Joe Gibbs the President gave the Redskins Jason Campbell, Pro-Bowl QB.

I know I'm not stating well what I mean to say. But basically I just don't think it's as important to him that Campbell starts now because he's looking for Campbell to be the long-term answer. Not the quick fix. If Campbell is successful after Gibbs is gone that would be much more satisfying to Gibbs than if he struggles now.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I know I'm not stating well what I mean to say. But basically I just don't think it's as important to him that Campbell starts now because he's looking for Campbell to be the long-term answer. Not the quick fix. If Campbell is successful after Gibbs is gone that would be much more satisfying to Gibbs than if he struggles now.

Makes sense to me. Certainly Gibbs wants to bring home another trophy, but I believe he at least wants to right the ship and put this organization back in good standings before it's all said and done...even if it means who ever inherits the head coaching job is the guy who gets the glory of a SB win, Gibbs can feel good knowing he helped to build the team.

Certainly doesn't look good right now, but if anything, Gibbs will bring the message of playing like a team to this organization, which WILL pay off in the long run.

[Citizens for 81]

Brunell or Campbell. Starting Collins is puss, winning with him accomplishes nothing.

Either they fix what they got now or start building for the future, none of this half-ass, middle-of-the road bs.

[redskinsfanatic]

iwould put randall el in before i would collins,he can't hit water if he fell off the queen mary!

[ChounsMan]

If anyone knows football it was obvious Brunell all season has been running through his reads so fast that he throws to his hot route with a bullet pass that has only netted him less than 50% completion on that read.

Another factor to consider has been Brunells inability to run for 1st downs when the protection breaksdown. That has been obvious since last season.

Now lets look at his other obvious problems like his height disadvantage. Campbell has almost 3 to 4 inches on Brunell & an arm that can only improve.

I am impressed with Washington's patience to not throw Campbell right into the fire. He has certainly learned a great deal waiting in the wings.

The time is now however to go with youth & begin Campbells development. If this were a baseball franchise & Brunell was the Ace of the staff he would have already been skipped in the rotation or DL for obvious problems. Al Saunders complexed playbook or not, Brunell is not going to get any better & Campbell can only improve in real game situations.

Go Jason!!!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by ChounsMan

If anyone knows football it was obvious Brunell all season has been running through his reads so fast that he throws to his hot route with a bullet pass that has only netted him less than 50% completion on that read.

Another factor to consider has been Brunells inability to run for 1st downs when the protection breaksdown. That has been obvious since last season.

Now lets look at his other obvious problems like his height disadvantage. Campbell has almost 3 to 4 inches on Brunell & an arm that can only improve.

I am impressed with Washington's patience to not throw Campbell right into the fire. He has certainly learned a great deal waiting in the wings.

The time is now however to go with youth & begin Campbells development. If this were a baseball franchise & Brunell was the Ace of the staff he would have already been skipped in the rotation or DL for obvious problems. Al Saunders complexed playbook or not, Brunell is not going to get any better & Campbell can only improve in real game situations.

Go Jason!!!

Now this is a very intelligent post! I agree with you 100%!

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by ChounsMan

If anyone knows football it was obvious Brunell all season has been running through his reads so fast that he throws to his hot route with a bullet pass that has only netted him less than 50% completion on that read.

Another factor to consider has been Brunells inability to run for 1st downs when the protection breaksdown. That has been obvious since last season.

Now lets look at his other obvious problems like his height disadvantage. Campbell has almost 3 to 4 inches on Brunell & an arm that can only improve.

I am impressed with Washington's patience to not throw Campbell right into the fire. He has certainly learned a great deal waiting in the wings.

The time is now however to go with youth & begin Campbells development. If this were a baseball franchise & Brunell was the Ace of the staff he would have already been skipped in the rotation or DL for obvious problems. Al Saunders complexed playbook or not, Brunell is not going to get any better & Campbell can only improve in real game situations.

Go Jason!!!

i agree!the only way you learn is to play in game situations,and campbell could benefit greatly by playing this season!

[BDBohnzie]

Every week the hounds call for Campbell to start, and every week the hounds get more fuel because Gibbs sticks with Brunell. Until the Skins are mathematically eliminated from the playoff race, Gibbs is going to stick with who he thinks is the best option to win, and that is Brunell. He's not ready to throw in the towel on this season just yet, even though just about everyone else has.

At 3-6, the Skins have to go on a helluva run to make the playoffs. They reeled off 5 straight last year to finish the season, and I'm willing to bet the coaching staff is trying to use that as motivation. Except it's 7 straight, and it's a pretty rough schedule ahead.

Don't get me wrong, as I'm throwing in the towel on this season and want to see Campbell strut his stuff. However, realistically, if the Skins think they can still win ballgames and claw their way back into the race, they are going to go with experience over raw talent every time.

The emphasis needs to get back on max protection football. Brunell simply has no time to throw the ball, and at the same time, he's simply afraid to make mistakes.

I see Brunell starting next week against the Buccaneers, and even against the Panthers...but 2 losses will put the Skins at 3-8, and out of the playoffs. That'll give Campbell 5 starts against some solid defenses (Falcons, Eagles, Saints, Giants...Rams D sucks) and get his feet wet. Until then, #8 will be under center, and Collins will be #2.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think 9-7 makes the playoffs this year, but unfortunately I've resigned myself to the fact that this team will not.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Not if Brunell is throwing TD passes to the other team again.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Not if Brunell is throwing TD passes to the other team again.

Yeah, rip the guy who just threw his FOURTH interception of the year.

We could've had Johnny Unitas in his prime playing for us against the Eagles and we would've lost...because it wasn't the QB who made us get clobbered. It was the defense's inability contain Philly's big plays and Clinton Portis' broken hand (yes Betts DID do well and Duckett ran well a couple of times, but we NEED CP).

However, with a 3-6 record, I'm all for getting Campbell his snaps and experience to get him ready for next year. If Campbell doesn't do well, don't jump ship on him. Remember how BAD Alex Smith was in his first season? He had a QB rating of 11 one game. This year, he looks a lot better.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

If anything, THAT had to drive Gibbs nuts. I know Brunell doesn't MAKE a lot of plays, but usually he doesn't make a lot of mistakes either.