Mort on the Portis trade rumors

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

tough back? Please, we got ripped off by getting him, he gets paid like a top back but never produces like one. He speaks out against the team's coaching, decision making, His biggest upside is his football savy, and that's not really sayin much. This year he needs to put up some decent football numbers, and minimize the complaints, or get out of town. Maybe find a job with the NFL network or something.

So a guy who leads the team in rushing, carries the team to the 2nd round of the play-offs, and who's only injury problems resulted from !CHASING DOWN AND TACKLING A DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN A PRESEASON GAME! is not tough?

He needs to put up "decent numbers" this year? What, the 1200 and 1500 yards he gained the first two seasons don't warrant anything? Oh, right, he didn't lead the league in yards last year b/c he got injured !CHASING DOWN AND TACKLING A DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN A PRESEASON GAME!

What an inane post.

[stu_nna]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So a guy who leads the team in rushing, carries the team to the 2nd round of the play-offs, and who's only injury problems resulted from !CHASING DOWN AND TACKLING A DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN A PRESEASON GAME! is not tough?

He needs to put up "decent numbers" this year? What, the 1200 and 1500 yards he gained the first two seasons don't warrant anything? Oh, right, he didn't lead the league in yards last year b/c he got injured !CHASING DOWN AND TACKLING A DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN A PRESEASON GAME!

What an inane post.

insane? I argue what he's doing off the field, you argue what he accomplishes on it. So again my point is more production. 1200 was nice though it seems that most good backs find this an obtainable number. 1500 is excellent. I still don't want the offield baggage. Insanity?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

insane? I argue what he's doing off the field, you argue what he accomplishes on it. So again my point is more production. 1200 was nice though it seems that most good backs find this an obtainable number. 1500 is excellent. I still don't want the offield baggage. Insanity?

First, the word was inane - meaning "lacking sense or substance" and it was used in the contest of your dual assertions that he is not a "tough" back and that his production last year warranted "he better make more yards this year or he is outta here" assertion. Based on his past performance, both those "lack sense or substance".

1500 yards is the mark of an excellent back? Well, CP has only missed that mark twice in his career once b/c he "only" had 1200 yards and once b/c he .... (wait for it) ... got injured !CHASING DOWN AND TACKLING A DEFENSIVE PLAYER IN A PRESEASON GAME!

As for his off the field "drama", I would suggest that (1) He loves playing for JG; (2) JG loves CP; (3) CP gets frustrated when the team doesn't do well and will speak his mind as to what he believes is the cause; and (4) nothing said as a result of (3) will change the underlying truth of (1) and (2).

Further, other than Lloyd and to a lesser extent Dockery (saying he's a great in-line blocker but don't ask him to pull), I have not heard CP call out any other team-mates. Rather, CP has said he wishes more players would speak up for themselves. According to the radio interview which caused such a stir around here, players come to him and Santana to approach the coaches.

You can dispute that he is a team leader b/c he speaks his mind, I would suggest that, b/c he does so and can do so with the knowledge and aquiesence of the coaching staff, other players look to CP as leader on and off the field.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRLPG

I am nothing if not diplomatic.

I have also been where you are and you are just going to end up wanting to punch your monitor. Sometimes people won't objectively listen. They believe what they believe no matter what. They can be convinced that 2+2=5 in the face of incontravertable evidence that it in fact equals 4.

Yes. Been there done that, doesn't change the frustration level when they, as Stu_nna does, change their arguement.

Originally Posted by stu_nna

tough back? Please, we got ripped off by getting him, he gets paid like a top back but never produces like one. He speaks out against the team's coaching, decision making, His biggest upside is his football savy, and that's not really sayin much. This year he needs to put up some decent football numbers, and minimize the complaints, or get out of town. Maybe find a job with the NFL network or something.

Two points which he now denies are relevant to CP's current status with the team and the expectations that the team should have of him this year.

Oh, and now he asserts toughness and past production were never his point - IF THEY WEREN'T YOUR POINT OR SUPPORT FOR IT, WHY STATE THEM??

2+2=5 and Clinton Portis is double-plus-ungood.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

tough back? Please, we got ripped off by getting him, he gets paid like a top back but never produces like one. He speaks out against the team's coaching, decision making, His biggest upside is his football savy, and that's not really sayin much. This year he needs to put up some decent football numbers, and minimize the complaints, or get out of town. Maybe find a job with the NFL network or something.

You're kidding with this post right?

1) He produced 2 seasons as a "Top back"
2) He is one of the few leaders on this team - He'll ask for the ball when the entire offense wants to run the ball more and keep things loose in locker room
3) He is one of the most talented RB's in the NFL and is just about to hit his prime

What would you deem "decent football numbers" ?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by DGreene28

You're kidding with this post right?

1) He produced 2 seasons as a "Top back"
2) He is one of the few leaders on this team - He'll ask for the ball when the entire offense wants to run the ball more and keep things loose in locker room
3) He is one of the most talented RB's in the NFL and is just about to hit his prime

What would you deem "decent football numbers" ?

And he's 10 times the blocker Betts is...that would lead me to believe Clinton tends to put in a little bit of work...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

No, I don't think that mentioned that Joe.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Who would you rather have, if not Portis? And, how would you judge them, if not on their past accomplishments?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

So the more important question is: do you yield?

[stu_nna]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

So the more important question is: do you yield?

no

[FRPLG]

Joe it is not worth arguing. He clearly is misguided.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Joe it is not worth arguing. He clearly is misguided.

How diplomatic.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

How diplomatic.

I am nothing if not diplomatic.

I have also been where you are and you are just going to end up wanting to punch your monitor. Sometimes people won't objectively listen. They believe what they believe no matter what. They can be convinced that 2+2=5 in the face of incontravertable evidence that it in fact equals 4.

[stu_nna]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am nothing if not diplomatic.

I have also been where you are and you are just going to end up wanting to punch your monitor. Sometimes people won't objectively listen. They believe what they believe no matter what. They can be convinced that 2+2=5 in the face of incontravertable evidence that it in fact equals 4.

you must have me seriously mistaken. I've listen and read everyone's response to my view on Clinton. I've also considered could his numbers be replaced with another player. He is not a bad back, but we have a history of releasing or trading players who speak out against the machine to much. That doesn't make me insane, stupid or any other name that people can think of for lack of a better way to express themselves.
The circumstances when he says he goes to one coach for the running plays, and another for the passing plays, and airs out dirty laundry out to the public is what gets me. Not his toughness, or his numbers and production. These things have to balance out. 2+2=4, i agree, so i haven't fallen into these numbers arguements.
If 50% of the backs in this leauge can get 1000-1300 yards in a season then the bar has been raised. So have my expectations...

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by stu_nna

you must have me seriously mistaken. I've listen and read everyone's response to my view on Clinton. I've also considered could his numbers be replaced with another player. He is not a bad back, but we have a history of releasing or trading players who speak out against the machine to much. That doesn't make me insane, stupid or any other name that people can think of for lack of a better way to express themselves.
The circumstances when he says he goes to one coach for the running plays, and another for the passing plays, and airs out dirty laundry out to the public is what gets me. Not his toughness, or his numbers and production. These things have to balance out. 2+2=4, i agree, so i haven't fallen into these numbers arguements.
If 50% of the backs in this leauge can get 1000-1300 yards in a season then the bar has been raised. So have my expectations...

Seems like you think he talks too much! Its all about his performance on the field. Not a bad back? He's a great back! Just needs to stay healthy or we're not going to be as explosive. CP is the single season rushing leader for the Washinton Redskins, all time......