Iran Supplying Weapons to Iraq?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I could never see Iran attacking America without attacking Israel first. IMO, if Iran has aspirations to attack anyone, it will be Israel. They just know that if they do so, America will be bombing their asses into oblivion. But, I do think they are prepared for that. Also, most of their important bases are underneath mountains. I'm not sure if we have bombs that can penetrate mountains. So, I am not sure if we could destroy their most precious military infrastructure without going in on the ground.

Yes I believe that we do have bombs that can penetrate the ground before they go off but how deep they go I don't know. I do know we have some that will go down a cave then go off and just fry people and not other things. I'm not sure if Israel is attacked by Iran we would get invloved because they have the weapons to defend their self. Now if it was a multiple of other country's we may but I think that would be the last thing we do because it could esculate into something much bigger.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yes I believe that we do have bombs that can penetrate the ground before they go off but how deep they go I don't know. I do know we have some that will go down a cave then go off and just fry people and not other things. I'm not sure if Israel is attacked by Iran we would get invloved because they have the weapons to defend their self. Now if it was a multiple of other country's we may but I think that would be the last thing we do because it could esculate into something much bigger.

Well if Iran was going to attack Israel, I'd think they'd do it through long range missile strikes. They don't have any continguous landmass to Israel. They can't just go rolling through Iraq on their way to Israel. And Iran doesn't have a navy.

If Iran is going to attack Israel, they'd likely use one of those long range missiles they have, and would probably try to arm it with a nuclear warhead. If they did that, yeah, we'd get involved.

But if they try to roll up on Israel with a pitiful force like Hezbolla did, then yeah, we'd just let Israel take care of it. Israel is our ally; any serious threat to their security would definitely bring about a US response.

[dmek25]

i dont its if we have the weaponary, i think its if we have someone that has enough "balls" to do it

[dmek25]

good post gtripp. the only problem i have with any of the united states dealings in the middle east are we cannot understand a society the breeds killings for the sake of religion. these people have been killing each other for the last 2000 years(at least) and will continue to do so, regardless of what we do. they teach it at a young age, it is philosophy, a way of life. and what we accomplish now is strictly short term

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

As others have pointed out GTripp, that was a really nice post. But, I think that whether you agreed or disagreed with the decision to go to war in Iraq, that mess is squarely on G.W.'s shoulders.

On a somewhat related point, I ran across an interesting Fox News poll (yes, Fox News). In it Respondents are asked whether they want Bush's plan for Iraq to fail and a resounding 34% of Democrats said "Yes." Why on earth would you want (as opposed to expect) the plan to fail? I'm a Dem-leaning independent, but that kind of stuff makes me want to puke and join the Repubs. Click on the link and look at question #21 http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...oxnewspoll.pdf.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As others have pointed out GTripp, that was a really nice post. But, I think that whether you agreed or disagreed with the decision to go to war in Iraq, that mess is squarely on G.W.'s shoulders.

On a somewhat related point, I ran across an interesting Fox News poll (yes, Fox News). In it Respondents are asked whether they want Bush's plan for Iraq to fail and a resounding 34% of Democrats said "Yes." Why on earth would you want (as opposed to expect) the plan to fail? I'm a Dem-leaning independent, but that kind of stuff makes me want to puke and join the Repubs. Click on the link and look at question #21 http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/...xnewspoll.pdf.

You have to wonder in "who's head does that make sense"?

[dmek25]

coming from fox, can you really believe that poll? its getting harder and harder to believe anything in the media

[dmek25]

and why in the world do they have Donald trump and Rosie in the same poll?

[That Guy]

what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by That Guy

what if they found WMDs and they had US Army stamped on them, from when we helped them in the 80s?

not saying i think it's true, but an interesting thought.

I actually thought that something more ironic and tragic would happen after we invaded Iraq, namely that some explosives from Iraq would be used in a terrorist attack against the U.S. at home or somewhere outside of Iraq. A friend of mine came back from Iraq, where he served in the Army in an EOD unit, and told me that the place was littered with millions of tons of military-grade explosives that couldn't be secured by our forces. You can buy an RPG for $100 on the black market there. Crazy stuff.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

I honestly don't think we've had a decent president in over a decade...I'm so disillusioned about the whole process, but as far as Iran goes, we don't have the man power to go in there right now without a draft. We would have to use nuclear weapons in an open war. I hope the administration considers this. Lets also think back over the past 20 to 30 years. As much as I hate to say it, we chose sides (Isreal) and now we have to pay the consequences. I'm in no way condoning the actions of radical islamic nations, just merely pointing out that we have a hand in our own problems. We also supplied weapons to Iraq, and have a history of exagurating intelligence for our own purposes (Vietnam anyone? Spanish American War?). If Iranians are coming over the border...they need to be accounted for. Its too late to give up on Iraq, but I wish we had just left well enough alone in the region. The best way to deal with the problem in my opinion is to find a legitimate alternative fuel source so we wouldn't be dependent on those scum bags.

You didn't think Clinton was a good Prez?

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You didn't think Clinton was a good Prez?

no, granted, he didn't actively mess things up like some would suggest Bush did, but I still wouldn't call him a good president. In my opinion he took credit for things that weren't entirely his doing. Trust me though, I'm not a Republican, although I would call myself conservative.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

no, granted, he didn't actively mess things up like some would suggest Bush did, but I still wouldn't call him a good president. In my opinion he took credit for things that weren't entirely his doing. Trust me though, I'm not a Republican, although I would call myself conservative.

Well, I don't think all successes or failures of any presidency are entirely on that president. However, there are some markers, if you will, that we can always point to and say what they did well or bad.

During Clinton's presidency, for instance, he inheirted a huge deficit, turned it into a surplus, and we're back to running a deficit now.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Well, I don't think all successes or failures of any presidency are entirely on that president. However, there are some markers, if you will, that we can always point to and say what they did well or bad.

During Clinton's presidency, for instance, he inheirted a huge deficit, turned it into a surplus, and we're back to running a deficit now.

Yes he inherited a recovering econmoy on the cusp of a period of growth unseen before and watched as tax coffers exploded with money that allowed him to end up positive. Bush got a waning economy and decided to cut taxes as well and now we have war that costs a lot of money and less taxes both by natural occurence and tax cuts. I like tax cuts but they should be met with spending cuts also. I don't give either prez any credit for performance on economy as they have very little if any effect on it. It is one the greatest myths in this country in terms of politics. Our economy runs itself. MAYBE tax cuts help a tiny bit to spur growth but that is questionable. Clinton didn't do anything that could be considered effecting the economy. Not a knock on him but just an observation.