One Of Michael Vicks Home Raided By Police

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Here is my problem with Steve Young out of the league's all-time top 50 QB's he ranks 34th in pass attempts, 20th in completions, 21st in passing yards, and 19th in passing TD's. Also, he started for SF for 8 years and the best that he could do was 1 SB.

Yeah, but you have to look at how many games he played, you can only produce huge numbers when you play a lot of games. Also, he went up against a dynasty in the Cowboys. For as much as we hate the Cowboys, they were studly in the 90's.
That 1 Super Bowl validated his career.

Don't forget, Steve Young was 24 before he was drafted by Tampa...he started much later than most QB's...this is because he stayed in school and got educated, unlike some of the morons the NFL employs now-a-days.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Yeah, but you have to look at how many games he played, you can only produce huge numbers when you play a lot of games. Also, he went up against a dynasty in the Cowboys. For as much as we hate the Cowboys, they were studly in the 90's.
That 1 Super Bowl validated his career.

Don't forget, Steve Young was 24 before he was drafted by Tampa...he started much later than most QB's...this is because he stayed in school and got educated, unlike some of the morons the NFL employs now-a-days.

OK, it still took him 5 years to push Montana out of town. Again, Young was a good QB just not the best. Top 5 scrambling QB's I have no problem putting him there in that category. Just not the best ever...

[KLHJ2]

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[KLHJ2]

Alright the horse is dead, next topic.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Alright the horse is dead, next topic.

Nevermind.

[KLHJ2]

You know, I just realized that this thread is in the wrong Forum. It should be in the parking lot. Where is Smootsmack when you need him?

[Redskins8588]

Young barely broke into the top 20 in the major QB stats for completion, attempts, yards and TD's. And maybe Moon did not do very well in the post season but is that really ALL him? After all football is a team sport. How about the greatest comeback in post season football, when the bills took out the oilers. Moon helped the oilers to a commanding 28-3 lead, but I guess it was his fault that the oilers d let the bills come back and win the game. Look I do think that Young is a good QB, and I even said a top 5 scrambling QB. But look at what he had to work with and look at the stats. He had the best WR ever. What did Marino, Elway, Moon, and Favre have?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Young barely broke into the top 20 in the major QB stats for completion, attempts, yards and TD's. And maybe Moon did not do very well in the post season but is that really ALL him? After all football is a team sport. How about the greatest comeback in post season football, when the bills took out the oilers. Moon helped the oilers to a commanding 28-3 lead, but I guess it was his fault that the oilers d let the bills come back and win the game. Look I do think that Young is a good QB, and I even said a top 5 scrambling QB. But look at what he had to work with and look at the stats. He had the best WR ever. What did Marino, Elway, Moon, and Favre have?

Your logic is going round and round. You used rings to describe good qbs a few pages back, now you are saying it shouldn't matter. I understand it's a team sport.
Marino had some good overall teams. Elway had a freakin 2000 yard rusher, and Favre has had some great teams as well...some great WR's and Green was an amazing back for him.
All I'm asking is to give me 5 better QB's than him...you have provided a possible 3. (I say possible cause I can disprove that they are better, the stats show Young was the best ever) Young is not going to be in the top for completions, attempts, yards, and passing td's cause he didn't play nearly as long as the others. That has something to do with the fact that he started later, and ended a little early due to injury, and part to do that he was behind one of the all time great qb's in Montana.
I judge a great QB by his passer rating (young is #1 all time) and completion%, (young is #1 all time), and his TD to Int ratio. I don't know where he ranks all time, but I've shown he beats everyone you've thrown up so far.
Vinny Testeverde is not even close to a top 30 all time qb, yet he's 6th in pass attempts, 6th in completions, 6th in passing yards, and 9th in passing td's. The man threw for 56.6% comp, and a td to int ratio of 270 to 261. That's horrible. Obviously what I used as a measuring stick is more accurate than what you use. By your logic, Vinny is an all time great QB, and he's not.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Vinny Testeverde is not even close to a top 30 all time qb, yet he's 6th in pass attempts, 6th in completions, 6th in passing yards, and 9th in passing td's. The man threw for 56.6% comp, and a td to int ratio of 270 to 261. That's horrible. Obviously what I used as a measuring stick is more accurate than what you use. By your logic, Vinny is an all time great QB, and he's not.

No, by my logic Vinny isnt an all time great. He never accomplished anything ever. And I wasnt the one that pused ring aside, I believe you were. "I can see why you would take Marino, he was amazing (no sb ring by the way)," Going off of your statement I throughout Moons name. If you were willing to accept Marino because of his amazing stats and no ring, I figured Moon too fit that bill. Oh and Moon is in the Hall of Fame, so I must not be the only one to think that he was one of the great QB's to play the game.

Elway did have a 2000 yard rusher when the Denver Broncos won their SB. But what did he have the first 3 times that he lost the SB? And what does Ahman Green have to do with Favre and his stats? Green only played with Favre for 6 season out of Favre's 15 seasons.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

No, by my logic Vinny isnt an all time great. He never accomplished anything ever. And I wasnt the one that pused ring aside, I believe you were. "I can see why you would take Marino, he was amazing (no sb ring by the way)," Going off of your statement I throughout Moons name. If you were willing to accept Marino because of his amazing stats and no ring, I figured Moon too fit that bill. Oh and Moon is in the Hall of Fame, so I must not be the only one to think that he was one of the great QB's to play the game.

Elway did have a 2000 yard rusher when the Denver Broncos won their SB. But what did he have the first 3 times that he lost the SB? And what does Ahman Green have to do with Favre and his stats? Green only played with Favre for 6 season out of Favre's 15 seasons.

No sir, it was you that brought it up first:
Also, he started for SF for 8 years and the best that he could do was 1 SB.
In fact, I said that a ring is not an indicator of a great QB cause you need a team.
Also, I said Moon was a great QB. I just showed he's no Steve Young. The fact that you compared Moon to Marino kinda scares me. No one has stats like Marino. Moon is not even close.
I am failing to see your point about Elway and Favre. You asked me what they had, I told you. Young had Rice, other than that, just like every team, there are a lot of factors. Elway needed a 2000 yard rusher before he could win, and had a losing postseason record until he got that. So again, I'm failing to see your point.

You have to consider Vinny one of the best ever because the stats YOU provided Vinny is a top 10 all time in all of them (6th in 3, and 9th in 1.) You can't use that as a measuring stick then take it back out of convienance. What applies to one, applies to another.

[Schneed10]

60 dogs found in his house, many malnourished, injured and scarred. He wasn't living at the house, a friend of his was living there. But still, associating with anyone involved in dog fighting makes you a low life. There's a lot of things in this world I can take, but when you start messing around with dogs, that really fires me up. I love dogs.

SI.com - NFL - Drug probe leads to Vick property, discovery of ailing dogs - Thursday April 26, 2007 6:06PM

[MTK]

If it's at his house he's definitely responsible for what's going on there, whether he's living there or not. Pretty disgraceful the way these animals were treated.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

A woman called into the radio station this morning (so take this with a grain of salt because it isn't the most reliable source) and said that she had some run-ins with Vick back in the day when she was visiting friends at VT.
Interestingly enough, she said that one night they were in her friend's room when they heard dogs fighting outside. She said they went to check it out and found Vick and others forcing pit bulls to fight in a parking lot.

Like I said, this isn't the most reliable source for a story, but at this point I wouldn't put it past him.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Like I said in another thread, I don't even need to read that article to know they were pit bulls.

RAP LIFE FOREVA!

[PSUSkinsFan21]

While the dog fighting is news......Vick being a low life piece of sh!t is not. I've never liked this guy (or his useless brother).