Wynn restructures

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Again, like I think Matty said, it was just a down year for the entire D as a whole last year. But unlike some others have suggested, an ENTIRE team doesn't regress like in from one year to the next. It was key injuries and key losses (as well as "key" additions like AA) that made this defense poor.

We recouped Smoot, have some decent depth at DB and LB AND have a proven player in the middle, leaving Marshall to play back in his spot where he dominated in 2004.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Again, like I think Matty said, it was just a down year for the entire D as a whole last year. But unlike some others have suggested, an ENTIRE team doesn't regress like in from one year to the next. It was key injuries and key losses (as well as "key" additions like AA) that made this defense poor.

See, I think they can. In 1992, we went from a dominating offense the year before to one that couldn't score a touchdown over several weeks.

Of course you can regress in one year.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

See, I think they can. In 1992, we went from a dominating offense the year before to one that couldn't score a touchdown over several weeks.

Of course you can regress in one year.

I was 10, I don't remember.

Could you, or anyone else who remembers tell me if there were any weird factors that year that caused such a drop off?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I was 10, I don't remember.

Could you, or anyone else who remembers tell me if there were any weird factors that year that caused such a drop off?

Nope. They got old. Simple as that. Art Monk lost a step, Ryp wasn't on the same page with Sanders and Clark, while guys like Bostic, Jacoby, and Grimm had been there for 12+ years. That led to a stall in the running game when Byner stuggled to get past the 1000 yard mark for the season. The D was a little bit better, and really they guided the team to the playoffs that year.

But by 1993 the team had completely run out of gas. The window can close fast. Any player will tell you that. I've posted this before, but on a Redskins post game show last season Charles Mann was co-hosting. The subject came up as to how fast guys can go from being serviceable to old. When Mann signed with the 49ers, he said that he got old almost as quick as the flight from D.C. to San Fran.

I believe the same thing happened to the front four from '05 to '06. That's what scares me for this season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Nope. They got old. Simple as that. Art Monk lost a step, Ryp wasn't on the same page with Sanders and Clark, while guys like Bostic, Jacoby, and Grimm had been there for 12+ years. That led to a stall in the running game when Byner stuggled to get past the 1000 yard mark for the season. The D was a little bit better, and really they guided the team to the playoffs that year.

But by 1993 the team had completely run out of gas. The window can close fast. Any player will tell you that. I've posted this before, but on a Redskins post game show last season Charles Mann was co-hosting. The subject came up as to how fast guys can go from being serviceable to old. When Mann signed with the 49ers, he said that he got old almost as quick as the flight from D.C. to San Fran.

I believe the same thing happened to the front four from '05 to '06. That's what scares me for this season.

You hit that one right on the money. But I'll tell you something. That was one of Gibbs/Pettibone's best coaching performacnes. The 92 team was not very good. I remember we didn't even score a TD for several games in a row that year. Rypien was just terrible and Gibbs refused to bench him. I went to the last game of the season that year against Oak. I watched 87 year old Vince Evans look like Dan Marino that day. And Rypien was just terrible and we lost and everyone thought the season was over. Then somebody beat somebody, we got in and beat Minn. on the road. And very easily could have won the next week in SF when the field was all messed up. The WR's dropped passes, Rypien missed guys, B.Mitch fumbled in a critical situation and we lost.

I think Gibbs saw the writing on the wall and that was part of the reason he left. He saw the team was old and needed to be completly rebuilt.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Again, like I think Matty said, it was just a down year for the entire D as a whole last year. But unlike some others have suggested, an ENTIRE team doesn't regress like in from one year to the next. It was key injuries and key losses (as well as "key" additions like AA) that made this defense poor.

We recouped Smoot, have some decent depth at DB and LB AND have a proven player in the middle, leaving Marshall to play back in his spot where he dominated in 2004.

TMC, it wasn't just one season. There was a sizable dropoff from 04 to 05 too defensively. Because we got a playoff spot, we approached 2006 optimistically. In hindsight, it makes total sense. We all expected the 2006 defense to be like the 2004, when all the evidence suggested a collapse.

[hurrykaine]

Dont even get me started on Wynn and Daniels. They suck, plain and simple. They are very vocal in post-game interviews after a loss, and that's it. What has Daniels done beside the 5 sack performance against that rookie Dallas tackle in 2005? Same for Wynn - competing in wing-eating contests with Randy Thomas for Comcast Sportsnet and being media-friendly has been the extent of his performance.

That said, I'm comfortable with his restructuring and saving us cap room, but if we have to depend on him for sacks and pressure, then I'm pretty f...g far from okay.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Dont even get me started on Wynn and Daniels. They suck, plain and simple. They are very vocal in post-game interviews after a loss, and that's it. What has Daniels done beside the 5 sack performance against that rookie Dallas tackle in 2005? Same for Wynn - competing in wing-eating contests with Randy Thomas for Comcast Sportsnet and being media-friendly has been the extent of his performance.

That said, I'm comfortable with his restructuring and saving us cap room, but if we have to depend on him for sacks and pressure, then I'm pretty f...g far from okay.

Both guys really need to go but we don't have any other options right now at DE. So we have to go with what we have. I expect alot of blitzing w/ the upgrades in the secondary so we won't really need either to rush the passer.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Both guys really need to go but we don't have any other options right now at DE. So we have to go with what we have. I expect alot of blitzing w/ the upgrades in the secondary so we won't really need either to rush the passer.

I'm confident (ok, hopeful) that we'll pick up a DE after June 1st, so these guys will make good tutors and back up plan for the rest of the team. They are good for the team in the locker room, and they can be adaquate if needed to play a few downs. As long as we sign another DE, we will have "depth" at DE. (wow, I can't beleive I said that).

[JWsleep]

Wynn and Daniels were part of a top 10 D for us. When Williams D works, the Dline clogs the run and keeps people off the LBs and safeties so they can bring pressure. So tackle and sack stats aren't central to judging what works in this D.

That being said, GW and co clearly decided the trouble was behind the line, not on it. I hope they are right, because we did nothing to help the line. Wynn taking a pay cut is good, because he was not worth it at his current salary. Let's hope they use the extra cap to get some help, though there isn't much around.

[MTK]

The '92 team was old, hell the '91 team wasn't full of spring chickens either.

But I think in '92 they mostly suffered from the classic Super Bowl hangover.

Here they were a team full of vets who finally reached the peak of the mountain and in dominant fashion. The offseason after the SB was full of distractions, book deals, commercials, etc., and they simply were not as hungry the next year.

I think that hurt them more than age.

[SmootSmack]

Remember how just a couple of months ago we had this huge thread about the Redskins signing DE Chris Wilson from the CFL, and now it's as if that never happened.

For better or worse, he is depth...for now

By the way, I'm calling it now. Watch out for DT Jared Clauss this summer

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Remember how just a couple of months ago we had this huge thread about the Redskins signing DE Chris Wilson from the CFL, and now it's as if that never happened.

For better or worse, he is depth...for now

By the way, I'm calling it now. Watch out for DT Jared Clauss this summer

I didn't forget about the 240 DE from up North. He's the next Dwight Freeney.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I didn't forget about the 240 DE from up North. He's the next Dwight Freeney.

Damn straight!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

By the way, I'm calling it now. Watch out for DT Jared Clauss this summer

Noted.