Keyshawn Johnson released from Carolina.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

You could probably say this about 80% (or more) of the off-season threads but this one is worthless because the Skins will not bring him in and he would not sign here anyway. Mark it down.

Grim -

How do I explain his lack of production in Dallas? Well he averaged 70.5 receptions and 910 yards per year in his two seasons there. How is that unproductive? He isn't Jerry Rice, but he is a very solid 2/3 and your hatred of him is misplaced (maybe stemming from the his book or his getting 'Keyshawned' in Tampa, not sure exactly). I'll undoubtedly take some heat for this, but his career numbers actually match up quite favorably with Art Monk's so the only problem you could have with the guy is his attitude (which I don't see as a problem these days) rather than his production. But, again, he will not be a Redskin any time soon.

By the Numbers:

Keyshawn's Avg. Production Per Season through 11 Seasons:
74 Rec., 961 yds, 5.8 TDs

Art Monks Avg. Production Per Season in 15 Seasons (excluding final year in Philadephia):
62 Rec., 848 yds, 4.5 TDs

Art Monk's Avg. Production in his first 11 Seasons:
66 Rec., 903 yds, 4.72 TDs

And Keyshawn has been amazingly consistent. Not advocating his signing here, just pointing out that you cannot bash his production if you look at the numbers.

You cannot compare those eras. Any true Redskins fan can back up my point. Next.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

You cannot compare those eras. Any true Redskins fan can back up my point. Next.

Huh? Why can't you compare those eras?

[Beemnseven]

Adding another receiver to disrupt the schedule Campbell is already on with his current receivers would be bad enough even if it were somebody younger with more of a future ahead of him than Keyshawn.

I also think the height thing is overrated with wideouts.

No thanks.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Adding another receiver to disrupt the schedule Campbell is already on with his current receivers would be bad enough even if it were somebody younger with more of a future ahead of him than Keyshawn.

I also think the height thing is overrated with wideouts.

No thanks.

For what logical reason would you think height is "overrated" for a WR?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

For what logical reason would you think height is "overrated" for a WR?

I think the precedent was established with the Rams in 1999. Holt, Bruce, and Hakim were all under 6 feet tall, yet they were virtually unstoppable. At that point, many offensive philosophies shifted from big, lanky wideouts like Rice, Irvin, Chris Carter and Jake Reed to smaller, shiftier guys with the emphasis on speed.

Also, the NFL today is more about timing and a receiver’s ability to avoid tackles after the catch. You don’t see too many jump balls lobbed up in the hopes that the tallest man wins.

Bottom line is, teams are recognizing that having a 6'2, 6'3, or 6'4 receiver is a nice bonus, but not a necessity.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Adding another receiver to disrupt the schedule Campbell is already on with his current receivers would be bad enough even if it were somebody younger with more of a future ahead of him than Keyshawn.

I also think the height thing is overrated with wideouts.

No thanks.

I agree...you get to live to post another day

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by davy

The guy has caught 70+ balls in 9 of the last 10 seasons.
When did we last have a 'bum' like that?

He also lost two games for Carolina last year by himself (Cincinnati and Philadelphia). That came straight from a Carolina fan that I am friends with. Obviously the Panthers didn't give a shit about his 70+ in 9 out of 10 and their front office typically gets a lot of credit.

The last time we had a bum like this? Westbrook or Gardner take your pick.

Anyone who actually thinks that this guy would help our team needs to watch a game or two that doesn't have the Redskins in it.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

He also lost two games for Carolina last year by himself (Cincinnati and Philadelphia). That came straight from a Carolina fan that I am friends with. Obviously the Panthers didn't give a shit about his 70+ in 9 out of 10 and their front office typically gets a lot of credit.

The last time we had a bum like this? Westbrook or Gardner take your pick.

Anyone who actually thinks that this guy would help our team needs to watch a game or two that doesn't have the Redskins in it.

Well I do watch games without Redskins in it thanks to the beauty of Sunday Ticket and I've got to disagree. I don't think the Redskins should sign him, but I also don't think Keyshawn is a bum. He is a very accomplished receiver, with excellent body control and good hands. Won't run by any one, but a very solid WR nonetheless. The game in Philadelphia that he supposedly lost single-handedly according the friend of a previous poster was definitely on Jake Delhomme. It was a wretched throw at the end of the game, if he had put it in a good spot KJ very well might have caught it for the winning score. I guess it is crazy to offer such a defense of Johnson, but the thing holding him back in Carolina was 1) bad O-Line play, which led to 2) erratic QB play from Jake Delhomme (who was hurt a few games which meant Weinke was in), and 3) Delhomme's obsession with Steve Smith . . . oh and he still caught 70 balls.

Westbrook might have been physically superior to Johnson, but neither he nor Gardner were near the receiver he is (as evidenced by their both being out of football with one and a half decent seasons between them).

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Well I do watch games without Redskins in it thanks to the beauty of Sunday Ticket and I've got to disagree. I don't think the Redskins should sign him, but I also don't think Keyshawn is a bum. He is a very accomplished receiver, with excellent body control and good hands. Won't run by any one, but a very solid WR nonetheless. The game in Philadelphia that he supposedly lost single-handedly according the friend of a previous poster was definitely on Jake Delhomme. It was a wretched throw at the end of the game, if he had put it in a good spot KJ very well might have caught it for the winning score. I guess it is crazy to offer such a defense of Johnson, but the thing holding him back in Carolina was 1) bad O-Line play, which led to 2) erratic QB play from Jake Delhomme (who was hurt a few games which meant Weinke was in), and 3) Delhomme's obsession with Steve Smith . . . oh and he still caught 70 balls.

Westbrook might have been physically superior to Johnson, but neither he nor Gardner were near the receiver he is (as evidenced by their both being out of football with one and a half decent seasons between them).

Who needs a posession receiver who drops wide open touchdowns and runs the wrong routes in the red-zone?
I would argue that he should have had much better numbers with Steve Smith across the field especially since they had to throw all the time. What is the explanation for his lack of production in Dallas?
Sorry to dismiss your man love for this guy but he has been overated his entire career. So you are criticizing Delhomme's obsession with Steve Smith? I can't help you buddy.

Carlos Rogers dominated him. Case closed.

[GusFrerotte]

Keyshawn is toast and not worth it!!! I hope to god Snyder doesn't try to do something stupid here and try to get him. He is past his prime, which is obvious since nobody wants him( as well as a high sticker price for his services). Next year draft a WR in the 2-3rd round, a young guy that will stick around for a while and produce for us. On top of that I would worry about any possible messing around with team chemistry between Keyshawn and Santana, Llyod, etc. Too may big names(egos) might not bode well for us!!! Leave Keyshawn be!!!!!!!!

[Daseal]

Not that I support bringing Keyshawn in, but he does one thing we don't currently have: block.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Not that I support bringing Keyshawn in, but he does one thing we don't currently have: block.

James Thrash blocks, plays teams and keeps his mouth shut.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

James Thrash blocks, plays teams and keeps his mouth shut.

I was going to say that. Good point!

[Pocket$ $traight]

The absolute last thing this team needs to do is sign a wide receiver. And to hear Keyshawn say that he wants to help another team win a ring? Please, Joe Jurivicius had more to do with that team winning a ring than Key. Warren Sapp almost ate him.

[DGreen28]

No Keyshawn he has been overrated his whole career. He is only a low budget Mike Irvin