Portis vs. Betts

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

How is Betts quicker than Portis? Portis is a home run threat. Last year was a tale of two running games. Betts was able to run in the downhill offense. Portis ran in the poodle offense.

If the roles were reversed last year (meaning Betts started the year and Portis finished it) Betts would have struggled big time. Portis would have scored at least twice as many TD's as Betts. One, Portis is much better in space and two, he wouldn't have fumbled as many times and would have finished off those drives instead of handing the ball (and games) away.

I also disagree that Betts is a more powerful runner than Portis. He does not get as low. Portis isn't a power back? Rewind to the last 6 games of '05 and try again.

I will explain it for you, there is a difference between speed and quickness, Betts gets the ball full speed and drills the hole faster than Portis, making life easier for the guys blocking up front they don't have to hold their blocks as long.

As far as power between the 2, your delusional if you think Portis is as strong as Betts.

I am pretty tired of all these excuses for Portis, like the only reason Betts outperformed him is because he was allowed to run downhill? That is a big joke! We ran downhill with Betts because we could with him, because of the reasons I stated above, we didn't with Portis because he is to slow looking for the hole, and to weak to run people over. The running game didn't change because we called different play's, it changed because we put a back in there that could handle a downhill running game which Portis is not, a downhill runner.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by offiss

I will explain it for you, there is a difference between speed and quickness, Betts gets the ball full speed and drills the hole faster than Portis, making life easier for the guys blocking up front they don't have to hold their blocks as long.

As far as power between the 2, your delusional if you think Portis is as strong as Betts.

I am pretty tired of all these excuses for Portis, like the only reason Betts outperformed him is because he was allowed to run downhill? That is a big joke! We ran downhill with Betts because we could with him, because of the reasons I stated above, we didn't with Portis because he is to slow looking for the hole, and to weak to run people over. The running game didn't change because we called different play's, it changed because we put a back in there that could handle a downhill running game which Portis is not, a downhill runner.

Like I said before. Look at the end of the '05 season and then come talk to me.

Excuses for Portis? What was Betts' excuse for fumbling multiple games away? It was a miracle that none of his three fumbles agains Carolina were recovered or that would have been another game that he lost for us.

Great backs don't fumble three times in a season let alone one game.

I have said it before. If Betts is our starter for the majority of this upcoming season we will be staring 6-10 right in the face.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by offiss

I will explain it for you, there is a difference between speed and quickness, Betts gets the ball full speed and drills the hole faster than Portis, making life easier for the guys blocking up front they don't have to hold their blocks as long.

As far as power between the 2, your delusional if you think Portis is as strong as Betts.

I am pretty tired of all these excuses for Portis, like the only reason Betts outperformed him is because he was allowed to run downhill? That is a big joke! We ran downhill with Betts because we could with him, because of the reasons I stated above, we didn't with Portis because he is to slow looking for the hole, and to weak to run people over. The running game didn't change because we called different play's, it changed because we put a back in there that could handle a downhill running game which Portis is not, a downhill runner.

I will say this. For what Gibbs and Bugel like, Betts is more their style of RB.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Did I miss something? When did Portis become brittle?

I guess that everyone has forgotten that a freak hand injury ended Portis' season. I don't label someone as injury prone when they were extremely productive with a bad shoulder and were shut down because their hand was broken.

Clinton Portis is by far the best runningback on the team. He runs harder than Betts and he holds onto the ball.

Case closed.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Did I miss something? When did Portis become brittle?

I guess that everyone has forgotten that a freak hand injury ended Portis' season. I don't label someone as injury prone when they were extremely productive with a bad shoulder and were shut down because their hand was broken.

Clinton Portis is by far the best runningback on the team. He runs harder than Betts and he holds onto the ball.

Case closed.

Thank you Grim.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Portis is definitely the number one back and should get majority of the carries and touchdowns. But Sanders needs to find a way to allow Betts to contribute to the offense. He is a very good back and can exploit the opponent in ways Portis cannot. Betts is a better receiver than Portis and runs some of the power running plays better than Portis.

[STBonecrusher21]

Although i hate the problem of having countless number of threads about which of our talented RBs is better, it is still a very good problem to have.

[dmek25]

I'll make no excuses for Portis. has Betts ever had a 1500 yard season? has Betts ever had a double digit season of touchdowns? Betts is a decent back up. period. has Portis ever had a fumble that has cost us a game? has Betts ever had a run of longer then 20 yards? Portis is by far the quicker of the 2 backs. and Betts isn't the power back that some around here think he is.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'll make no excuses for Portis. has Betts ever had a 1500 yard season? has Betts ever had a double digit season of touchdowns? Betts is a decent back up. period. has Portis ever had a fumble that has cost us a game? has Betts ever had a run of longer then 20 yards? Portis is by far the quicker of the 2 backs. and Betts isn't the power back that some around here think he is.

It's this simple all you have to do is take a look at yards per carry, Betts is much better than Portis, Betts would have easily surpassed 1500 yds last season if he started the whole year, he hasen't had the carries, but when he has had the carries he has been better than Portis.

Betts has averaged 4.3 yds as a skin, Portis is 4.0.

Keep in mind that Betts earned those yards moving the chains on a consistant basis, that is not Portis's game.

Last season was the first season Betts had more than 90 carries and he responded with a 4.7 yds per carry, much better than Portis's 4.1.


Betts has had many runs over 20 yds I don't know where your going with that one?

It's this simple, Betts is quicker to the hole than Portis.

Portis is better than Betts in 1 area and that is the big play, he has more speed than Betts to hit the long run.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'll make no excuses for Portis. has Betts ever had a 1500 yard season? has Betts ever had a double digit season of touchdowns? Betts is a decent back up. period. has Portis ever had a fumble that has cost us a game? has Betts ever had a run of longer then 20 yards? Portis is by far the quicker of the 2 backs. and Betts isn't the power back that some around here think he is.

Betts has never really had the oppurtunity to have a 1500 yard season so your point makes no sense. And one play never ever cost a team a game. That's ridicules. Portis fumbled at crucial times back in 04 if I remember correctly. I'm not saying Betts is better cause he's not. But if given the chance he could run for 1500 yards. He went over a 1000 in what, 8 starts? That's pretty damn good if you ask me. I dont' see many back-up RB's having the type of season Betts had. He is more than a decent backup. Cartwright is what I would call a decent back-up.

[dmek25]

the next you will be saying is that mike espy is as good as santana moss. come on, wake up alittle

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Betts quicker than Portis at what? Fumbling? Yes fumbling.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Make Betts hold the ball like Tiki.

[dmek25]

thank you to the voice of reason

[djnemo65]

Why can't they both be great? Seems like a lot of people are attacking Betts in this thread and I don't get that. It's possible to think Portis is probably better without having to diminish what Betts was able to accomplish last year.