Redskins have the worst defensive line in the league

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

So let me get this straight. The Redskins line is the worst in the league. Now, are we talking about a line that has the #1 Pro-bowl corner hurt, Smoot and Macklin hurt, #1 Pro-bowl linebacker hurt, Fletcher hurt, Marshall hurt, Big Joe hurt, Daniels hurt, Griffin hurt, Rocky a bust, Carter regresses, Golston and Montgomery do not improve at all, and Landry is a bust. If all of those scenarios are true than I will agree with them. Otherwise, they are a bunch of f-ing morons who looked at the 2006 stats before they put together a meaningless article.

And for anyone who agrees with them. Shame on you.

Why don't people look at the FACTS before they agree with some idiotic article that was composed in late June?

I don't think the linebackers and secondary have anything to do with this analysis though. This is strictly the DTs and DEs

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't thin the linebackers and secondary have anything to do with this analysis though. This is strictly the DTs and DEs

Than that is a faulty analysis. Every level affects the others. That still doesn't change the assumptions that I laid out on the linemen.

I know this, the D-line was dominant against Carolina. No 32 ranked line could have performed like that.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Than that is a faulty analysis. Every level affects the others. That still doesn't change the assumptions that I laid out on the linemen.

I know this, the D-line was dominant against Carolina. No 32 ranked line could have performed like that.

Carolina had the 24th ranked offense last year. Every d-line dominated them. Its not like they had a great o-line and our guys just took it to 'em.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Than that is a faulty analysis. Every level affects the others. That still doesn't change the assumptions that I laid out on the linemen.

I know this, the D-line was dominant against Carolina. No 32 ranked line could have performed like that.

Here is how I see it. When you add it all up our line isn't very good. Otherwise we would get more sacks/hurries and we would have played better run defense.

1. It seems when Griff is hurt our line totally falls apart. Perhaps the staff needs to lower his # of plays so he can stay healthy and fresh.

2. Daniels hasn't done a damn thing since he has been here except complain that he was tired because of the off season program. Go cry me a river.

3. Goldston isn't strong enough to be an every down NFL DT. Not sure what the coaches saw but I saw him getting blown off the ball waaaaay to much.

4. We don't know if Mongomery can live up to his potential.

5. AC isn't an every down 4-3 end cause he isn't strong enough.

6. Like Griff, Joe S. is starting to break down alot.

7. Evans can't beat out the starters at DE which is where we need the most help so he must not be very good.

8. Wynn? Don't even get me started. Great locker room guy and all, but he can't play at the NFL level anymore. He is as slow as a turtle.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

So let me get this straight. The Redskins line is the worst in the league. Now, are we talking about a line that has the #1 Pro-bowl corner hurt, Smoot and Macklin hurt, #1 Pro-bowl linebacker hurt, Fletcher hurt, Marshall hurt, Big Joe hurt, Daniels hurt, Griffin hurt, Rocky a bust, Carter regresses, Golston and Montgomery do not improve at all, and Landry is a bust. If all of those scenarios are true than I will agree with them. Otherwise, they are a bunch of f-ing morons who looked at the 2006 stats before they put together a meaningless article.

And for anyone who agrees with them. Shame on you.

Why don't people look at the FACTS before they agree with some idiotic article that was composed in late June?

Grim, the facts agree with the conclusion reached by Scouts Inc. All you are doing is passing the blame from one unit to the next tryimg to justify a defensive rebound this season.

Sean Taylor is not to blame for taking poor angles and god awful pass coverage because the line was bad. The Line is not to blame for being awful because Holdman and Marshall suck and the DBs are doing a bad job. The Linebackers are doing a poor job because Carter and Golston aren't eating up blocks.

Well, at least if no one is at fault, we dont have to worry about ever fixing the problems.

Every unit on the defense was below average next year. We didn't do nearly enough (nor could we with one first day draft pick) to change the future outlook for this unit.

Everyone is one year older. For players like Sean Taylor and Carlos Rogers, that means one more year of experience. For everyone else, it means the expectation for effectiveness decreases from last year. Unfortunately for us, that means 9 starters on defense will likely not be as good as they were last year, or at the very least, stay consistent with last years performance.

Fletcher will help in the middle, but you know what his "upside" is. There's really no potential on this defense for this season, especially in the front seven. If everyone stays healthy though, these guys just may have enough left in their tanks to improve on a sup par 2006 season. Just dont count on it, this defense is way, way, past its theoretical prime.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Grim, the facts agree with the conclusion reached by Scouts Inc. All you are doing is passing the blame from one unit to the next tryimg to justify a defensive rebound this season.

Sean Taylor is not to blame for taking poor angles and god awful pass coverage because the line was bad. The Line is not to blame for being awful because Holdman and Marshall suck and the DBs are doing a bad job. The Linebackers are doing a poor job because Carter and Golston aren't eating up blocks.

Well, at least if no one is at fault, we dont have to worry about ever fixing the problems.

Every unit on the defense was below average next year. We didn't do nearly enough (nor could we with one first day draft pick) to change the future outlook for this unit.

Everyone is one year older. For players like Sean Taylor and Carlos Rogers, that means one more year of experience. For everyone else, it means the expectation for effectiveness decreases from last year. Unfortunately for us, that means 9 starters on defense will likely not be as good as they were last year, or at the very least, stay consistent with last years performance.

Fletcher will help in the middle, but you know what his "upside" is. There's really no potential on this defense for this season, especially in the front seven. If everyone stays healthy though, these guys just may have enough left in their tanks to improve on a sup par 2006 season. Just dont count on it, this defense is way, way, past its theoretical prime.

GTripp has a point there, everyone on the Defense sucked equally last year.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

GTripp has a point there, everyone on the Defense sucked equally last year.

When your 5-11 there is PLENTY of blame to go around. The offense sucked almost as bad as the defense.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So says Scouts Inc.

Link: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insid...ory?id=2935257

32. Washington Redskins
Six-year veteran Andre Carter is the most solid player on the defensive line. He has been surrounded by underachievers and aging athletes. Carter has excellent quickness off the edge but has never been a physical player versus the run. Phillip Daniels is on the backside of his career and does not have much playmaking ability. Backup ends Demetric Evans and Renaldo Wynn have shown little playmaking ability throughout their careers. Defensive tackles Cornelius Griffin underachieved in 2006 and has been an inconsistent performer much of his career. Rookie sixth-round pick Kedric Golston and backup Joe Salave'a play hard but don't have the tools to be impact players. The Redskins didn't address the defensive line deficiencies in the 2007 draft. Instead they tried to plug holes with veteran retreads.

I think that's a little harsh. And was it written by Andre Carter's agent? That first sentence is news to me. Also, C.G. has been hampered by injury but to label him an inconsistent performer is to not have seem him play in Washington. If you mean oft-injured then write that. We may have the worst line in the league, but this writer doesn't seem to have arrived at that conclusion by watching games.

We definitely need better play from this group and I do agree that we lack playmakers at DE, which is why I was an advocate for drafting that position. Even If Andre Carter plays great, you still have a hole on the other side. P.D. can't have much left in the tank at this point.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Someone said we should get the FACTS. OK, here are some to go and check out:


Where did the Skins rank in terms of yardage allowed last year?


Where did the Skins rank in terms of points allowed last year?


If I counted right, they ranked 24th in yardage allowed and 31st in points allowed.

Allowing yardage like that puts real presure on the offense to score quickly with big plays because the other team will be moving the ball once it goes back. Allowing points like that is what gives a team a pick as high as #6 in the draft in the following spring.

The FACTS are that the Skins were 5-11 last year and the defense was bad. They need to have the defense improve by 100% this year if they want to make the playoffs (even with an 8-8 record).

Now for subjective analysis:

If the problem is that Griffen tends to get hurt too much, the solution is not to limit his # of plays. When he is on the sidelines standing there and healthy, he's of no more value to the team than he is when he's hurt and not playing. If he is the guy that has to be in there to make things better, then don't take him out unless it is absolutely necessary. Griffen's history is that he's had two above average years in his career for whatever reasons.

Philip Daniels is a team leader. Five years ago, Philip Daniels was also a very solid player. Last year, he was a shadow of his former self as a player. Expecting him to put a move on Father Time and get back to where he was several years ago is unrealistic.

The reason the rookies got playing time last year is because the starters were ineffective. Notice that when those rookies got in the games, the defense did not become a ferocious unit. Rookies can improve; the Skins have to hope at least one or two of them improve a whole lot.

Whoever plays linebacker behind Andre Carter had better be ready to do a lot of tackling. If the Skins want a pass rush from the DL, Carter will have to provide much of it and he is most effective using speed to run around the OT. That leaves a gaping hole inside for teams to run into with draw plays. If that linebacker over there isn't a solid tackler, there will be no pass rush from the DL this season; Carter will have to "stay home".

If the Skins lose defensive linemen in training camp or if several of them have to play the season out with nagging injuries that won't go away, the defensive unit will be in big trouble because teams will run on them a lot.

I hope I separated the FACTS from the subjective analyses sufficiently...

[MTK]

I really can't argue with this ranking. I think they could have been ranked anywhere from #28 down, and when you're that low does it really matter?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I'm not sure if our line is the worst in the league, but it's near the bottom. Honestly ask yourself, "How often does our d-line get pressure from the front four alone?" I think Carter, Golston, and Griffin have the potential to be very good players, but potential does not always produce results. There is not one player on the line who is very good on a consistent basis. Golston could be a keeper, but he showed me very little last season to get crazy about. Griffin is great when he is on the field, but he rarely hits the field. Carter was great in the last quarter of the season, but was a big disappointment in the first 10+ games. Daniels hasn't had a great day since Week 16 of the 2005 season.

That being said, I think the depth at DB and LB bodes very well for our defense. Every team has holes, ours just happen to be up front and, who knows, maybe Griffin will stay healthy, Carter will maintain his high level of production, and Golston will emerge as a quality player.

[hagams]

Sound about right.....for last year. I pray they can get more chances to smack the QB's around a little this year. Gotta be able to get our linemen fired up.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

The more I think about it, the more I agree that we were the wrost D line last year.

[ChounsMan]

Rather than simply state our D sux! I would give props to Williams & his excellent defensive system. It was only 2 years ago that the Skin's D was outperforming half the league with most of the guys still on the club, now with a heathy & improved secondary that should allow the LB's to play looser & commit more to the run. That will be the diifference in 07'.

Name me one team in the last 5 years that dominated with a weak secondary.... there are none. There's a reason why the skins drafted Landry

When you eliminate the deep threat, you allow your D to put 8 in the box & that's a classic run killing 46 formation.

Now we can debate offense all season long which I think will sputter through most of the 1st half, if they can stay healthy & the line improve we might have a shot to make a run in the 2nd half.

PEACE!

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by ChounsMan

Rather than simply state our D sux! I would give props to Williams & his excellent defensive system. It was only 2 years ago that the Skin's D was outperforming half the league with most of the guys still on the club, now with a heathy & improved secondary that should allow the LB's to play looser & commit more to the run. That will be the diifference in 07'.

Name me one team in the last 5 years that dominated with a weak secondary.... there are none. There's a reason why the skins drafted Landry

When you eliminate the deep threat, you allow your D to put 8 in the box & that's a classic run killing 46 formation.

Now we can debate offense all season long which I think will sputter through most of the 1st half, if they can stay healthy & the line improve we might have a shot to make a run in the 2nd half.

PEACE!

It's not the system, then; it's the players.