Iraq: Who Has the Right Plan?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

please explain to me how thinking this administration made a gigantic mistake with Iraq, means you don't support the troops? quit watching fox news, for i full heartedly support our brave young men and women that fight. i just believe they should not be there in the first place

#1- Fox news has never said that if you disagree with the War in Iraq that you are against the troops.
#2- Fox news is one of the best non biased news sources.
Should we blame NBC news for everything that democrats say or think?

Just for the record, I am assuming you were using that as sarcasm, but I had to comment.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by jsarno

#1- Fox news has never said that if you disagree with the War in Iraq that you are against the troops.
#2- Fox news is one of the best non biased news sources.
Should we blame NBC news for everything that democrats say or think?

Just for the record, I am assuming you were using that as sarcasm, but I had to comment.

I always find it funny how the left bash Fox, Rush and the other news sources but they defend CNN, ABC, CBS, and the other news which lean sto the left. The one thing about Rush and the other talk shows is that they tell you up front that they lean to the right. The other news sources hide behind the "I'm a reporter and just report the news" then add their left leaning stance on the subject. I myself listen to all kinds of news form Fox, NPR, national news and many other sources. The left on the other hand calls Rush, Hanaty, and other right leaning names as they cannot stand them but then they preach free speech.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I always find it funny how the left bash Fox, Rush and the other news sources but they defend CNN, ABC, CBS, and the other news which lean sto the left. The one thing about Rush and the other talk shows is that they tell you up front that they lean to the right. The other news sources hide behind the "I'm a reporter and just report the news" then add their left leaning stance on the subject. I myself listen to all kinds of news form Fox, NPR, national news and many other sources. The left on the other hand calls Rush, Hanaty, and other right leaning names as they cannot stand them but then they preach free speech.

I would normally have a lot to say about this, but almost all of it would be Dem bashing, and I'm trying to cut down on that!

[BDBohnzie]

I kinda like Bob Feller's idea:

For example, on a trip to the White House with other Hall of Famers last year, he told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice what had to be done in the Iraq war: He thought 450,000 troops should go take over the oil and establish a curfew in Iraq.

"I told her, 'I've never seen a war won by talking,' " Feller says.

Personally, I think Biden and Thompson have the right idea diplomatically, with a little Edwards thrown in. No reason to leave any permanent bases in Iraq when we have them within striking distance elsewhere.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

I kinda like Bob Feller's idea:


Personally, I think Biden and Thompson have the right idea diplomatically, with a little Edwards thrown in. No reason to leave any permanent bases in Iraq when we have them within striking distance elsewhere.

The more I hear what Biden has to say overall, the more I like him. Too bad he's got no shot really. His chance passed 20 years ago I suppose after those plagiarism charges. Maybe he's got a chance to be a VP.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The more I hear what Biden has to say overall, the more I like him.

That's because his speech was stolen from a Captain and Tenille song.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Beems,

I too was against the war starting, but that has nothing to do with what we need to do from here. I know you will probably reply with "well they were so wrong about the war, why should I trust them now?" To that I would reply (a) Petraeus is not "they" and (b) I don't quite follow the logic "They were wrong then, so they must always be wrong."

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Beems,

I too was against the war starting, but that has nothing to do with what we need to do from here. I know you will probably reply with "well they were so wrong about the war, why should I trust them now?" To that I would reply (a) Petraeus is not "they" and (b) I don't quite follow the logic "They were wrong then, so they must always be wrong."

But it's not just the war. It's the Katrina disaster, appointing incompetents like Alberto Gonzales and Mike Brown ... Trying to get Bush's own personal lap dog, Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court ... "Looking into Vladimir Putin's soul" ... giving control of the ports of our country to an Arab state ... signing the most agregious attack on the First Amendment by supporting Campaign Finance Reform ... steadfastly refusing to secure the borders at the same time they keep telling us that we are still a target ... appointing what turned out to be a corrupt, mafia-influenced thug to head the Department of Homeland Security ... trying to deny rights of Habeas Corpus to American citizens ... bankrupting Medicare by adding prescription drug coverage to an already over-burdened budget, grossly miscalculating its costs (including the costs of the war) ... giving us disasters like No Child Left Behind, the Patriot Act, and Faith-Based Initiatives ... a Vice-President trying to convince us that the Office of the Vice President isn't a part of the Executive Branch ... "Bring 'em on" ...

Past performance is the best indicator of future performance. So you'll have to forgive me if I have trouble believing anything else this inept bunch of buffoons tries to tell us about anything.

Oh, and 70chip, you and I come from basically the same political philosophy. You HAVE to believe that Limbaugh, Hannity, and all the conservative pundits would be calling for the heads of Clinton, Kerry or Gore if they'd have given us the things I've listed here. You're a conservative, right? Can you honestly stand there with a straight face and defend this administration? Especially when they've gone out of their way to demonstrate how unconservative they really are?

[dmek25]

i was going to start a new thread from an idea that beems gave me, but i might as well put it here. how would people around here feel if John Kerry, or Al Gore, had lead us into Iraq? somehow, i think the feelings would be alittle different

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i was going to start a new thread from an idea that beems gave me, but i might as well put it here. how would people around here feel if John Kerry, or Al Gore, had lead us into Iraq? somehow, i think the feelings would be alittle different

You're so right. The sentiment would have been Liberals are trying to prove they're warhawks by invading Iraq, when they're not. George Bush would have done things differently if he were in office.

But you know, hindsight is always 20/20.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i was going to start a new thread from an idea that beems gave me, but i might as well put it here. how would people around here feel if John Kerry, or Al Gore, had lead us into Iraq? somehow, i think the feelings would be alittle different

Republicans have always supported Democratic Presidents in times of war. Even when Clinton went into Bosnia, his strongest supporters were the hated neo-cons. Wilson, FDR, and Truman also had the support of Republicans in fighting their wars. The opposition of the Democrats to a President during wartime has been more common. They oppossed Lincoln in fighting slavery. They oppossed Johnson and Nixon in figting communism in Southeast Asia, and they have oppossed Bush in trying to bring Democracy to Iraq. So, yes things would have been much different.

[dmek25]

first off, the Dem's supported president Bush, when he made the decision to go to Iraq. and what i was talking about was the aftermath. the poor planning, no exit strategy, and the overall mis management of the war. I'm still not sure how Bush snookered everyone into invading Iraq, and forgetting about bin laden?

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by dmek25

first off, the Dem's supported president Bush, when he made the decision to go to Iraq. and what i was talking about was the aftermath. the poor planning, no exit strategy, and the overall mis management of the war. I'm still not sure how Bush snookered everyone into invading Iraq, and forgetting about bin laden?

So, what's your second point?

No one has forgotten Bin Laden. And the way Bush "snookered" them was to have the vote right before an election. He was counting on their well known cowardice and lack of conviction. Of course, they did not disappoint.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

first off, the Dem's supported president Bush, when he made the decision to go to Iraq.

Dems will sell you down the river if it means their own personal gain will be boosted.

I'm still not sure how Bush snookered everyone into invading Iraq,

So by you thinking they were "snookered" you are saying 1- Bush is the smartest damn man on the planet as he can get all these seasoned politicians to see things his way (a relative nube). Or 2- Your democrats are a bunch of lemmings. (either way it doesn't bode well for the Dems if you really think they were snookered)

and forgetting about bin laden?

Are you serious? Who has forgotten about him? Didn't the country put the highest price on his head ever? Dead or alive? Has Bush not gone after Al Queda and gotten over 90% of the terrorists, a lot of which were known to be associated with Bin Laden? Have they not had full blown man hunts for him? I am sure there are still people on "secret missions" to try to find him. The fact that they can't leads me to beleive that he is already dead.

[dmek25]

Dem's are the only ones that will sell you down the river? all politicians, when put in a position for their own gains, will agree to anything. i think the biggest reason people agreed to invade Iraq was it would pretty much be political suicide if you disagree( at that time) and you say that bush has gotten over 90% of the terrorists, you have got to be joking? where in the world did you come up with that? for every terrorist that has been captured, or killed, there are 10 more waiting in the wings.