Portis Says This Year Could Be Last With Skins.

[sandtrapjack]

Question: If I am not mistaken Portis is entering his 4th year in Washington, if he did leave, what are the cap implications? If his knees are still bothering him it will be a struggle to attempt a trade.

Additionally the front office surrendered a 2nd round pick in 2004 for him, in addition to Champ Bailey. And if he does leave what type or return does Washington get back from his four years?

Now my point is simply that a second round pick in 2004 would now most likely be a starter in the lineup. Granted Portis was only 22 when he was traded and no one could see this knee issue coming then, but the position he plays dictates that he is gonna take hits and his body will wear down a bit faster. So why surrender a pro-bowl corner and a 2nd round draft pick if you only end up getting 4 years of production?

Arguabley Champ is at the top of his game (10 INT's in 2007), and looks to be a secondary force for Denver for years to come.

If the money and the trade does not justify an investment return for just 4 years, then there is another issue all together.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Question: If I am not mistaken Portis is entering his 4th year in Washington, if he did leave, what are the cap implications? If his knees are still bothering him it will be a struggle to attempt a trade.

Additionally the front office surrendered a 2nd round pick in 2004 for him, in addition to Champ Bailey. And if he does leave what type or return does Washington get back from his four years?

Now my point is simply that a second round pick in 2004 would now most likely be a starter in the lineup. Granted Portis was only 22 when he was traded and no one could see this knee issue coming then, but the position he plays dictates that he is gonna take hits and his body will wear down a bit faster. So why surrender a pro-bowl corner and a 2nd round draft pick if you only end up getting 4 years of production?

Arguabley Champ is at the top of his game (10 INT's in 2007), and looks to be a secondary force for Denver for years to come.

If the money and the trade does not justify an investment return for just 4 years, then there is another issue all together.

His knees are fine. I would certainly take Portis in his present condition over Julius Jones at any time. Champ Bailey was going to leave one way or another so they got something in exchange, which was the smart play.

Of course, if Portis can't play due to injury again it will be hard to hold on to him, but I see no reason to think that he will not be back to form this season. He is not Gale Sayers yet. His injuries last year were a dislocated shoulder and a broken hand. I suspect this tendonitis business is largely bunk. But we will know soon enough.

I heard the Portis quote on the radio and it was completely innocuos. He was saying basically the way of the NFL is produce or be gone. Leave it to the dullards at SI to twist his statements for their own purposes.

Also, I would point out that old broken down Clinton Portis had little trouble running around Greg Ellis and the rest of the Cowboys defense when they played here last year, injuries notwithstanding.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

His knees are fine. I would certainly take Portis in his present condition over Julius Jones at any time. Champ Bailey was going to leave one way or another so they got something in exchange, which was the smart play.

Of course, if Portis can't play due to injury again it will be hard to hold on to him, but I see no reason to think that he will not be back to form this season. He is not Gale Sayers yet. His injuries last year were a dislocated shoulder and a broken hand. I suspect this tendonitis business is largely bunk. But we will know soon enough.

I heard the Portis quote on the radio and it was completely innocuos. He was saying basically the way of the NFL is produce or be gone. Leave it to the dullards at SI to twist his statements for their own purposes.

Also, I would point out that old broken down Clinton Portis had little trouble running around Greg Ellis and the rest of the Cowboys defense when they played here last year, injuries notwithstanding.

I would take Portis over Julius Jones too, by the way. That is why I will lay money that Jones is gone after this season. The team is not impressed with him and this is a contract year for him. I think his days are numbered. Good riddance.

Dallas obtained Clevelands first round pick in next years draft, which is a probable top ten, maybe a top five pick. Trust me, with that possibility Dallas will have Darren McFaddin on the radar next April. Jones will be history.

It is not a question of whether Portis can "run around Greg Ellis and the rest of the Cowboys defense", but rather can he do it for the other 14 games on the schedule?

And I did NOT make a refence to Portis being "broken down" oddly enough, only you mentioned that.

My question was IF Portis was gone after only 4 seasons with the Redskins, was the trade of Bailey plus the second round draft pick plus the possible cap ramifications worth only 4 years of service? I mean the guy was only 22 when he was traded, certainly the team would expect more than 4 years for such a hefty trade and contract length. Especially since it seems that the Broncos will get many more years of service from Bailey (who was a 5 year verteran at the age of 26 when traded) and the draft pick surrendered than the 4 years Portis will have served in DC.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

I would take Portis over Julius Jones too, by the way. That is why I will lay money that Jones is gone after this season. The team is not impressed with him and this is a contract year for him. I think his days are numbered. Good riddance.

Dallas obtained Clevelands first round pick in next years draft, which is a probable top ten, maybe a top five pick. Trust me, with that possibility Dallas will have Darren McFaddin on the radar next April. Jones will be history.

It is not a question of whether Portis can "run around Greg Ellis and the rest of the Cowboys defense", but rather can he do it for the other 14 games on the schedule?

And I did NOT make a refence to Portis being "broken down" oddly enough, only you mentioned that.

My question was IF Portis was gone after only 4 seasons with the Redskins, was the trade of Bailey plus the second round draft pick plus the possible cap ramifications worth only 4 years of service? I mean the guy was only 22 when he was traded, certainly the team would expect more than 4 years for such a hefty trade and contract length. Especially since it seems that the Broncos will get many more years of service from Bailey (who was a 5 year verteran at the age of 26 when traded) and the draft pick surrendered than the 4 years Portis will have served in DC.

Certainly it would be disappointing if Clinton were to leave after another unsuccessful season. We'll see what happens.

As to Jones, if the team is not impressed with him, why has he been the starter for lo these many years now? Was he a Parcells guy? Will Marion Barbour take his place as everydown back now that Jason Garret is in charge of the offense? As a Redskins fan, I always feel relieved to see Jones out there instead of Barbour. Marion gives us fits.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Question: If I am not mistaken Portis is entering his 4th year in Washington, if he did leave, what are the cap implications? If his knees are still bothering him it will be a struggle to attempt a trade.

Additionally the front office surrendered a 2nd round pick in 2004 for him, in addition to Champ Bailey. And if he does leave what type or return does Washington get back from his four years?

Now my point is simply that a second round pick in 2004 would now most likely be a starter in the lineup. Granted Portis was only 22 when he was traded and no one could see this knee issue coming then, but the position he plays dictates that he is gonna take hits and his body will wear down a bit faster. So why surrender a pro-bowl corner and a 2nd round draft pick if you only end up getting 4 years of production?

Arguabley Champ is at the top of his game (10 INT's in 2007), and looks to be a secondary force for Denver for years to come.

If the money and the trade does not justify an investment return for just 4 years, then there is another issue all together.

Without looking at the numbers, I think the cap ramifications largely depend on how he left. For instance, him being released as opposed to him being traded are two different animals and could have different cap results. But I would venture to say if we were to release him this year or next, there would be a cap hit. 'Aint gonna happen, I'm just saying.

As to your assertion that a 2004 2nd round pick would now be starting is speculation; Certainly not impossible, but who knows for sure. But the real question is, what type of production and impact would we be getting out of that 2nd round pick? Remember prior to last year, Portis has put up some nice numbers as a Redskin.

Finally, as to whether or not Portis has bad "knees". To the best of my knowledge, Portis has tendonitis in one knee, not both. And again, I don't think he's ever had knee surgery, or at least major knee surgery, so I don't think there's anything here to be overly concerned with. It's a condition that many running backs play with and can be very effective depending on its severity. Without knowing all the details or the extent of the "condition", (not injury) I fully anticipate Clinton Portis to be a beast this year and the next one and the one after that.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Now my point is simply that a second round pick in 2004 would now most likely be a starter in the lineup.

Didn't Denver use our 2nd rounder to draft Tatum Bell? Needless to say, he's no longer with the Broncos, and he's not a starter either.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Didn't Denver use our 2nd rounder to draft Tatum Bell? Needless to say, he's no longer with the Broncos, and he's not a starter either.

That's not entirely accurate.
Kevin Jones may be put on the PUP list, meaning Bell will be the starter.
Also, the Lions have said how great Tatem Bell has been during the preseason making everyone else seem like they are in slow motion.

Tatem Bell was leading the AFC in rushing when he was benched in Denver...why? Cause of fumbling issues...not completely unlike Betts.

I am now firmly buying into the fact that running backs are pretty easy to come by, and we don't need a huge cap number nor a huge mouth with Portis, especially when you factor in that he's gone from injury prone to fragile.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

That's not entirely accurate.
Kevin Jones may be put on the PUP list, meaning Bell will be the starter.
Also, the Lions have said how great Tatem Bell has been during the preseason making everyone else seem like they are in slow motion.

Tatem Bell was leading the AFC in rushing when he was benched in Denver...why? Cause of fumbling issues...not completely unlike Betts.

I am now firmly buying into the fact that running backs are pretty easy to come by, and we don't need a huge cap number nor a huge mouth with Portis, especially when you factor in that he's gone from injury prone to fragile.

So if what you say here is true, and good CB's are harder to come by, then Denver made out pretty well with trading Portis to Washington.

They drafted Bell with that pick they got from Washington, and now they traded Bell to Detriot for Dre Bly. Another RB for a CB. So esstentially Denver got a second round pick that ultimitely netted them another pro-bowl CB. They got a pretty good backfield out of the deal.

And, I must say, a backfield that will be there for more than 4 years.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What I thought was more interesting was all the talk of how key practice seems to be (not to mention how CP says "Hopefully...I don't have to play Thursday.")

I really just don't get it...?

"Hopefully...I don't have to play Thursday."

The last time I checked he is employed and being paid MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PLAY FOOTBALL for the Washington Redskins.

I don't think they wanted him to play the entire game just a few reps...?
So I guess I didn't catch the breaking news that portis is the new owner, vice president, head coach, asst. head coach, etc.

Just shut the hell up, suit up and do what your BEING PAID A FORTUNE to do like every other employee is doing, playing ball, NOT CRYING about being to good to play a few reps in pre-season!

Simple as that!

[Monkeydad]

He's probably just bored from sitting around in the Preseason and wanted to watch the media and people like you run around in a frenzy. He's done it before...many times.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Wow. I can belive he said that. Portis needs to get his but on the field and show why we all love him so much. If he wasn;t here in 2005 we would have not made the playoffs, same goes for this year. If he can;t produce like his first year here we aren't going to the playoffs. We Need You CP. Get healthy and play bro. Hail!!

[budw38]

CP is closing in on 10,000 yds for his career , that and knee & shoulder issues makes sence that he is going to slow down in a couple of years . If , and thats a big if ,,, his knee gives him problems this year , this is likely his last year here .

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Having read all the comments in this thread, I don't think anybody was over-hyping CP's statements. Nobody ever said CP wants to leave. Nobody is acting like the sky is falling. The basic sentiment here is that if CP can't stay healthy the skins may get rid of him. I think everyone agrees on that.

[freddyg12]

The comments were not a big deal as many have pointed out here.

I hope that he can stay here & even finish his career as a skin. We certainly can't go through another face of the franchise leaving unhappy.

[JWsleep]

Man, I am not going to take ANY of this seriously. First, he almost always says this stuff with a smile on his face--he is a joker most of the time. I agree that what he was saying was like Gibbs and the back to NASCAR comment. If I can't play, they're gonna fire my ass. Ha ha.

As for not playing in game 4, why in the world would we want to risk him now? Let him get healthy--who cares about preseason? Seriously. He's an RB, so he doesn't have nearly as much to pick up chemistry-wise. Just open a hole and let him run. And for all this talk about Portis being lazy, are you really ready to say that he doesn't give his all in games? He bust his ass out there, on everything from runs to receptions to blitz pickups--he is definetly our best blocking tailback in that regard. And for all this Champ talk--we had the #3 D and Clinton rushed for 1500 yards just 2 years back. He was hurt last year--but when he's healthy, he's the best back we have. And he's a team leader. Remember when we won 5 in a row to get to the playoffs--check Clinton's stats and press conferences during that run.

Rant over.