What is wrong with Santana Moss? (merged)

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Moss's strengths are his hands and his speed. The injury can account for the speed (though he seems pretty fast getting behind folks), but the hands is something mental. Hope he works it out, because we need him.

To be fair, JC missed at least two crucial passes today--one the overthrow to Lloyd, the other a missed read throwing to Sellers instead of MacCardell on the short slant. But that's going to happen with a young QB. The vet WRs out there need to help him out until he fully gets the timing and touch of a seasoned NFL QB.

Oh, and that "interception"--Moss bounces it up in the air, and then both the defender and ARE come down with it. What a weak call that it was an INT. And so not JC's fault.

Agreed that the INT should've been ruled a completion to ARE for simultaneous posession with the defender.

I'm a little concerned that unless Campbell learns to put more touch on deep balls, he will continue to miss wide open opportunities. Elite QBs do not miss the throw that Lloyd couldn't quite pull in. Campbell also missed Cooley on a fairly deep throw in the first half. Until he starts making those type of plays with more consistency, I don't believe you can characterize Campbell as a great deep passer. Hopefully the coaches are addressing his touch on deeper throws in practice. Of course the deep throw to Moss was pretty damn solid, and that could have turned the game in the Skins favor.

[crawfish]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Agreed that the INT should've been ruled a completion to ARE for simultaneous posession with the defender.

I'm a little concerned that unless Campbell learns to put more touch on deep balls, he will continue to miss wide open opportunities. Elite QBs do not miss the throw that Lloyd couldn't quite pull in. Campbell also missed Cooley on a fairly deep throw in the first half. Until he starts making those type of plays with more consistency, I don't believe you can characterize Campbell as a great deep passer. Hopefully the coaches are addressing his touch on deeper throws in practice. Of course the deep throw to Moss was pretty damn solid, and that could have turned the game in the Skins favor.

Yeah JC misses some but he also puts some right on the money that guys are dropping. I would say JC played well enough for us to easily win this game. Problem is when we loose everyone tends to nit pick.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

I'm a little concerned that unless Campbell learns to put more touch on deep balls, he will continue to miss wide open opportunities. Elite QBs do not miss the throw that Lloyd couldn't quite pull in. Campbell also missed Cooley on a fairly deep throw in the first half. Until he starts making those type of plays with more consistency, I don't believe you can characterize Campbell as a great deep passer. Hopefully the coaches are addressing his touch on deeper throws in practice. Of course the deep throw to Moss was pretty damn solid, and that could have turned the game in the Skins favor.

Actually, Tom Brady missed Randy Moss by a mile on a deep pass yesterday, and Peyton Manning misses from time to time, so I'm not sure what you mean by "Elite QBs do not miss".

And Campbell absolutely should not have to put touch on a ball that hits his target in the face. That ball to Moss was a perfect throw. The toss to Lloyd was a little long, but "Touch" wouldn't have been the answer. Brett Favre put quite a bit of touch on his deep throws and got picked twice. He should've been picked three more times.

Overall I think Campbell played a good game, outside of the one yard pass on 4th and 2.

[Sean Taylor]

Moss, wait for your blocks and you have a huge play. Don't get popped like a punk and fumble like a bitch. Offense stinks besides Campbell and Cooley yesterday. Those other guys are going to watch that film and I hope we do to Arizona what we did to Detroit. Then we're on the road at New England....

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Actually, Tom Brady missed Randy Moss by a mile on a deep pass yesterday, and Peyton Manning misses from time to time, so I'm not sure what you mean by "Elite QBs do not miss".

And Campbell absolutely should not have to put touch on a ball that hits his target in the face. That ball to Moss was a perfect throw. The toss to Lloyd was a little long, but "Touch" wouldn't have been the answer. Brett Favre put quite a bit of touch on his deep throws and got picked twice. He should've been picked three more times.

Overall I think Campbell played a good game, outside of the one yard pass on 4th and 2.

Some people act like qb's are suppose to be machines or something. Deep passes are low % to begin with. By my count JC had 6-7 dropped yesterday. He should have been around at least 25-37 yesterday. And the INT was not his fault either. It was a little high but that is a very catchable ball. JC totally outplayed Farve by a mile yesterday.

Also what was that shitty call on Thrash all about? How can you call a penalty on both players?? It should have been a no call if anything. The db stood right in Thrash' way. Horrible call. Sometimes the refs need to let the guys play a little bit. That should have been a 40 play on our part.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Some people act like qb's are suppose to be machines or something. Deep passes are low % to begin with. By my count JC had 6-7 dropped yesterday. He should have been around at least 25-37 yesterday. And the INT was not his fault either. It was a little high but that is a very catchable ball. JC totally outplayed Farve by a mile yesterday.

Yeah, I don't understand how people bitch when the starting quarterback can't throw a ball beyond 30 yards, then the same people bitch because the new starter throws too hard. I agree that his throws probably have a bit more velocity than the Washington receivers are used to, but that's no excuse when the ball hits your hands. And that argument holds little weight when Campbell fires rockets at Cooley and he seems to have no problem catching them.

[dgack]

Count me in the "doubting Santana" category, but I'd love to eat those words. He hasn't looked like the same guy since he hurt himself last year.

[jamf]

I think the field condition got into Moss' head. If you are coming back from a groin/hamstring injury, the last thing you want to do is play on a sloppy field. You saw Heyer slip and do the splits causing a serious injury. Randle El had a drop or two. I think Moss was thinking about his next cut before he caught the ball. Unfortunate but anyone who's had an injury to his legs knows that the next time you go out and try to play ball, it's in your head. hopefully with a full week of practice he will build confidence in himself.


My one problem with moss today, He was quoted as saying he took himself out of the game because he didn't want to continue to hurt the team. He need to fight through his problems. Even as a decoy, he has value to the offense. He gave up...

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by jamf

He was quoted as saying he took himself out of the game because he didn't want to continue to hurt the team. He need to fight through his problems. Even as a decoy, he has value to the offense. He gave up...

If he said that, that's total BS. What kind of a message does that send to the rest of the team? That you aren't willing to go to battle with them because your pu$$y hurts? BS.

[DEVIL'S OWN]

we need a big time play receiver, im telling you we need a player like, Braylon, or Roy Williams, Randy Moss type, we should consider getting that kid from the Bengals, who's coming back from supension, it be worth taking (chris Henry) if we can get him for a 5th or 6th rounder.....but in this league today, this is not the smurf's, we need a big target, Jason is 6-4 and his biggest weapon is Cooley is the reason why he connects so much with him.....

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

we need a big time play receiver, im telling you we need a player like, Braylon, or Roy Williams, Randy Moss type, we should consider getting that kid from the Bengals, who's coming back from supension, it be worth taking (chris Henry) if we can get him for a 5th or 6th rounder.....but in this league today, this is not the smurf's, we need a big target, Jason is 6-4 and his biggest weapon is Cooley is the reason why he connects so much with him.....

Well, I do agree with you about needing a big reliable WR. Chris Henry is not the answer though, he's a cancer.
We are stuck with what we have right now, and nothing is really going to change that.
We need to reevaluate our wr's come the end of the season...that's for sure.
SS reported that Fitzgerald wants out of Arizona, we could make a nice offer and he'd look great in a Skins uni.

[DEVIL'S OWN]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I do agree with you about needing a big reliable WR. Chris Henry is not the answer though, he's a cancer.
We are stuck with what we have right now, and nothing is really going to change that.
We need to reevaluate our wr's come the end of the season...that's for sure.
SS reported that Fitzgerald wants out of Arizona, we could make a nice offer and he'd look great in a Skins uni.

a play for larry Fitzgerald would be great, we could trade moss, llyod and ARE, and start fresh there a vet like L.Fitzgearld and get some rookies in the draft, keep thrash and another vet, trade portis and C. Rogers bring in a DE like J. Peppers, thats not a bad deal for us, cause believe it or not, were a talented WR away from being an elite club, I know alot of you guys think attitude is key, but Randy Moss, C. Dillion and others worked out fine with good orginzations and we have that here...we can ride or die with betts...

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by DEVIL'S OWN

a play for larry Fitzgerald would be great, we could trade moss, llyod and ARE, and start fresh there a vet like L.Fitzgearld and get some rookies in the draft, keep thrash and another vet, trade portis and C. Rogers bring in a DE like J. Peppers, thats not a bad deal for us, cause believe it or not, were a talented WR away from being an elite club, I know alot of you guys think attitude is key, but Randy Moss, C. Dillion and others worked out fine with good orginzations and we have that here...we can ride or die with betts...

This is sarcastic right?

[dgack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

SS reported that Fitzgerald wants out of Arizona, we could make a nice offer and he'd look great in a Skins uni.

Bryant Johnson is an UFA next season if I'm not mistaken, and that guy is a star in waiting. Playing behing Fitz and Boldin and he's always stepped up whenever one of them went down, but has been quietly biding his time for a few years now. THAT's the guy I'd go after.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dgack

Bryant Johnson is an UFA next season if I'm not mistaken, and that guy is a star in waiting. Playing behing Fitz and Boldin and he's always stepped up whenever one of them went down, but has been quietly biding his time for a few years now. THAT's the guy I'd go after.

He's a local guy too I think