Its time for joe to step down.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Praylow is the guy with the funny last name, which I refuse to try to spell correctly because I don't want to look it up. Secondly, mistakes on defense are part of "generally speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football." Penalty after penalty (on both sides of the ball) is sloppy and disorganized. Defense caving in when ONE FRIGGIN GUY goes out w/ an injury is sloppy and disorganized. IMO.

Pierson Prioleau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

take a second....

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Injuries had little to do w/ the game today IMO. Losing ST was big but he's only one player and Praylow is a veteran. We lost because we couldn't get in the endzone when it mattered, because of horrific clock management, and because we're generally-speaking the sloppiest, most disorganized team in professional football. That's all coaching. IMO.

How was the clock management horrific today? Could you cite specific examples?

[MTRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

How was the clock management horrific today? Could you cite specific examples?

We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.

Calling time out to avoid running a bad play doesn't have anything to do with clock management.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.

Earlier, as in the first half when they were about to punt and we were trying to prevent them from running the clock down to two minutes? That was the right move at the time and Philly did not end up scoring. If they hadn't of called the To then, you'd be bitching about that.

As to the last drive, TO's don't do any good when you can't get a first down so it was not a factor. It could have been but it wasn't. 2:30 is plenty of time to move down the field with or without TOs. Yes you would prefer to have them, but it had little impact on the game today.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

We blew two TO's in second half that would have come in quite handy w/ 2:31 left on a last ditch drive. Also called a TO earlier w/ 2:06 on the clock that seemed to only benefit Philly.

Calling the TO w/ 2:06 in the 1st half is Gibbs being aggressive. He was blasted earlier in the year for letting the clock run down to the 2 minute warning when they were going to try hurry up offense. It retrospect it did help Philly because we went 3 and out but if Lloyd makes the catch or we convert the 3rd down it would have been nice to have time to try to score before half. Can't have it both ways. Play aggressive and run the risk of giving them the ball back with time or kill the last 2 minutes and have no shot at points before the half.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

How was the clock management horrific today? Could you cite specific examples?

I am actually still in Gibbs corner but....
TO instead of a delay of game penalty right before trying a 23 yd fg.
Several instances of not getting plays in quick enough.
Too many men on defense.
Not the worst game but it still hurt.

[Cowell]

I do agree Gibbs either needs to step up or step down. I would rather see another coach in there having success than see Gibbs in there tarnishing his HOF record.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Why is it all you gibbs haters refuse to see that we have a plethera of injuries??? Give another team the injuries we have and no way do they go 5-4 to this point. Gibbs is doing a good job with what he has.

And for the guy that said fired GW...remember he is dealing with a lack of a pass rush, and injuries to the secondary. You can't expect miracles when your best team is sitting on the bench.

Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.

in order to be a good team in the NFL you have to be able to deal with injuries. i understand we have had our fair share of them so far, but we need to be able to adjust to that. lack of depth is something falls on the coaches during the offseason. injuries are part of the game.

[Twilbert07]

Looks like we're basically a .500 team. We can beat (barely) teams like the Dolphins, Jets and Cardinals who can't beat anyone. We hang tough with tough teams but usually blow the games late (Giants, Packers, Eagles). Some of the late-game disasters fall on the shoulders of the coaches - especially Gregg Williams.

If we finish 8-8, it will be an improvement over last year but a regression from 2005. And, it will be time for some of the top coaches to let someone else give it a try.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.

Exactly.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Good post. People don't want to see that, because they have a losers mentality. They just call it "keeping it real" so as to give them an excuse to complain. If our team was completely healthy, we'd be in first place right now. Still, there are seven more games left to play. Plenty of opportunities for us to right the wrongs of this season. Besides, even the most "kool-aid" of us said we'd be 10-6.

What explains last season then? I just see a guy doing the " they fought their guts out" routine when they lose a game they deserved to win most of the time. Clock management has stunk all season, the penalties hve been a problem as of late. The injuries have hurt us, plus the lack of execution earlier in the season also. Thing is not much has changed in terms of team attitude from the Norv era. Norv was too laid back, Spurrier was like "Awwwwww Shucks we lost" also. Now we just hear "They fought their guts out". No killer instinct at all and not much imagination. Those lack of attributes you can't blame on injuries!!!!!!!

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

What explains last season then?

Injuries. Lost Portis for the season, Santana was hurt last year, transition from Brunell to Jason Campbell, and our defense collapsing last season. That is what explains last season.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Injuries. Lost Portis for the season, Santana was hurt last year, transition from Brunell to Jason Campbell, and our defense collapsing last season. That is what explains last season.

Portis wasn't a huge blow as Betts came on nicely. The QB situation had Gibbs all over it as he refused to put JC in to salvage the season. Defense collapsed as it was on the field for most of the game due to a horrid passing attack due to MB starting as a result of Gibbs obstinance.