ESPN's Mortenson: Williams No Longer a Candidate

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Right now it's no longer a band aid. Its duck tape.

Does that mean we're gonna lose hair and flesh?

This is gonna be painful.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

I see this being bad as far as players restructuring

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

I see this being bad as far as players restructuring

That's an excellent point. Most players, especially key players, felt loyal to the Redskins during Gibbs tenure. I'm sure that made it much easier for the FO to convince them to restructure. We're $23M over the cap as is, and now we're blowing up the whole staff and starting over. Some players are bound to be disappointed with the organization.

This is a bummer. Not because I don't think Fassel/Meeks/Spagnuolo will eventually have success here. I think all 3 are very capable. But the team is headed for some changes roster-wise, and I really like so many of our players. It's gonna suck to see guys go.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That's an excellent point. Most players, especially key players, felt loyal to the Redskins during Gibbs tenure. I'm sure that made it much easier for the FO to convince them to restructure. We're $23M over the cap as is, and now we're blowing up the whole staff and starting over. Some players are bound to be disappointed with the organization.

This is a bummer. Not because I don't think Fassel/Meeks/Spagnuolo will eventually have success here. I think all 3 are very capable. But the team is headed for some changes roster-wise, and I really like so many of our players. It's gonna suck to see guys go.

I wonder who, other than Springs, could be going that we really, truly are going to miss?

I'm gonna miss Springs, but as soon as Gibbs left I had a feeling he wasn't coming back.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I wonder who, other than Springs, could be going that we really, truly are going to miss?

I'm gonna miss Springs, but as soon as Gibbs left I had a feeling he wasn't coming back.

It was an emotional season for players and fans alike. I was only 13 when we won our last Super Bowl. So for me personally, I can't remember liking a Redskins team more than this one. Seeing any real contributors to this year's squad leave is gonna be a bummer IMO. As far as players leaving that we'll really miss on the field, I suppose that Springs is the only heavy loss, especially with the way he played down the stretch.

[SBXVII]

We keep hearing about all these players that did not want change. Keep the status quo. I have been wondering how many players that actually was. The same 3 or 4 that work out every day at the park. lol. I wonder how many kept thinking...man we are not picking up this offense or certain individuals were not getting it and players internally were thinking....somethings gotta give we are not getting it done.

Similar to the fans. Some were mad at the offense because it seemed to sputter or die after half time or it simply couldn't score. Other fans were upset at the defense because it fizzled out in the 4th quarter all the time. Some wanted JC some wanted TC at QB. Some wished Gibbs would retire again. You have to be honest. There were problems across the board and a little blame should go everywhere. The owner is tired of all the excuses and has decided to rebuild. I love Gibbs. I remember Gibbs1. The only thing I hated about Gibbs1 was all his games he played close. If we played a team that was mediocre we played at their level. If we played a team destined for the playoffs we played at their level. I knew Gibb2 would be exciting which we have not had in a long time. Especially with Spurrier. I'm ready for the Skins to blow people out of the water like the Patriots. I'm tired of being middle of the pack, almost there, squeak into the playoffs. I want to be what Dallas was this year. I want to dominate or be one of the dominating teams. I'll be honest....I don't think we were as close as a lot of us really think we were. If there are major changes to be made then lets make them, notify the fan base and lets move on. All this crap has us at each others throats calling each other names about info that may or may not be true. Well maybe not calling each other names but clearly being rude to each other. I hope Sat when they make the press release if they are they decide to announce the HC also so we can get over our grieving. lol. Then we can start talking about how this team might look and bad mouth each other about who they think should be drafted. lol.

[The Gremlin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

We keep hearing about all these players that did not want change. Keep the status quo. I have been wondering how many players that actually was. The same 3 or 4 that work out every day at the park. lol. I wonder how many kept thinking...man we are not picking up this offense or certain individuals were not getting it and players internally were thinking....somethings gotta give we are not getting it done.

Similar to the fans. Some were mad at the offense because it seemed to sputter or die after half time or it simply couldn't score. Other fans were upset at the defense because it fizzled out in the 4th quarter all the time. Some wanted JC some wanted TC at QB. Some wished Gibbs would retire again. You have to be honest. There were problems across the board and a little blame should go everywhere. The owner is tired of all the excuses and has decided to rebuild. I love Gibbs. I remember Gibbs1. The only thing I hated about Gibbs1 was all his games he played close. If we played a team that was mediocre we played at their level. If we played a team destined for the playoffs we played at their level. I knew Gibb2 would be exciting which we have not had in a long time. Especially with Spurrier. I'm ready for the Skins to blow people out of the water like the Patriots. I'm tired of being middle of the pack, almost there, squeak into the playoffs. I want to be what Dallas was this year. I want to dominate or be one of the dominating teams. I'll be honest....I don't think we were as close as a lot of us really think we were. If there are major changes to be made then lets make them, notify the fan base and lets move on. All this crap has us at each others throats calling each other names about info that may or may not be true. Well maybe not calling each other names but clearly being rude to each other. I hope Sat when they make the press release if they are they decide to announce the HC also so we can get over our grieving. lol. Then we can start talking about how this team might look and bad mouth each other about who they think should be drafted. lol.

Another Great Post. I think the Skins were close and I wanted to see Saunders offense without Gibbs next season. I also would of loved to see Gregg take over the head coaching reigns. I thought with a couple moves that the Skins could of been contenders in the NFC next season. This can still happen but im really nervous to see the future of this team now that there is no more Gibbs and alot more of Snyder/Cerrato in the front office. Only time will tell but I got to say after only reading 2 of your posts I love the energy you bring to your posts and how you really want a winner in the Nations Capital. HTTR.

[SBXVII]

Another thought on the smear campaign. Last we heard Gibbs had flown down to NC to be with his family and was working with his racing team again. Did DS call Gibbs back just to tell the staff that it could take weeks before they hear something? and then the next day DS plan hits the media? I guess I'm missing something here...why say anything and simply allow the info to come out today. Why make Gibbs look like a fool sending him to tell the staff it might be a few more weeks when it was only a day? Why not have him say hey guys we will all know in a day or two. Is the plan also to make Gibbs look senile so the fans will say " oh, ok, yea I guess it was a good idea to rebuild the whole head coaching staff because Gibbs must be senile and GW was talking trash about a good coach and DS would have none of that."

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Another thought on the smear campaign. Last we heard Gibbs had flown down to NC to be with his family and was working with his racing team again. Did DS call Gibbs back just to tell the staff that it could take weeks before they hear something? and then the next day DS plan hits the media? I guess I'm missing something here...why say anything and simply allow the info to come out today. Why make Gibbs look like a fool sending him to tell the staff it might be a few more weeks when it was only a day? Why not have him say hey guys we will all know in a day or two. Is the plan also to make Gibbs look senile so the fans will say " oh, ok, yea I guess it was a good idea to rebuild the whole head coaching staff because Gibbs must be senile and GW was talking trash about a good coach and DS would have none of that."

I thought the smear campaign theory came from someone close to GW and involved the Skins smearing him, not Gibbs.

I highly doubt Snyder would try to smear Gibbs in any way. I also doubt Williams said anything negative about him as a person. But we all know Williams was frustrated at times this season with Saunders and the offense. He may have commented that he didn't like the way Gibbs handcuffed Al at times. Who knows...

[skinsfan0201]

SMEAR Campaign = Vinny Cerrato

Don't trust him, never have

Gregg don't withdraw!!!!!

Keep the fight Redskins fans

[wilsowilso]

I'm surprised anybody is surprised. Williams was not getting the job.

[SBXVII]

My apologies, I thought DS was going to leak info about what GW had said about Gibbs and turn it into a smear campaign against GW so the fans would be willing to accept that he did not want GW.

[SBXVII]

I do feel sorry for GW though. At this point I would not accept the job and simply check out Jacksonville. Who know I thought that HC was nearing his end also maybe they will fire him next year and give the job to GW if he does well.

[The Gremlin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I do feel sorry for GW though. At this point I would not accept the job and simply check out Jacksonville. Who know I thought that HC was nearing his end also maybe they will fire him next year and give the job to GW if he does well.

Jack Del Rio is one of the best coaches in football. I dont see him being fired next year or 3 years from now at that. That said Gregg Williams should go to Jacksonville. I think he can give that defense alot of leadership and really put the Jags over the top next season.

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Fassal and Zorn are fine and all but who the hell is going to be our D-Coordinator?

Since the Ravens messed us over on Rex Ryan I think the Skins might go in a different direction. Dont be shocked if Rex Ryan is our next head coach with Zorn controlling the offense. This would not shock me and with Dan Snyders track record of getting what he wants he might forget about Fassel and promote Ryan from the Ravens. This is a longshot but im starting to think this might happen. This is all just really a guess right now though.

[Rock Your Face]

Let me first apologize for any hard feelings I might cause on the part of SBXVII, because he does strike me as a rational and devoted Skins fan and I think for the most part he makes very good points. That being said, to say that the Skins under Gibbs 1.0 played down to the level of their competition is absurd. As evidence I point to the '91 Skins' first 3 home games: Skins 45 - Lions 0; Skins 34 - Cardinals 0; Skins 23 - Iggles 0. The only 2 losses that year were the admittedly horrendous home loss to the Cowgirls that dropped the Skins to 11-1 and the last game of the season at the Vet that didn't matter.

That era of the NFL was geared toward domination, witness the 49ers and Skins of the '80s and the Cowgirls of the '90's. Now the NFL is designed for parity. The Patriots are the one exception, and this year they caught lightening in a bottle: Moss was acquired on the cheap because he basically tanked it as a Raider and the Dolphins were morons in giving Welker (please note that the Fish went 1-15 this year as further proof of their idiocy). Basically, in the NFL today, if you do not have a dominant QB and a great front office, i.e., the Colts and the Patriots, you are confined to being mediocre to good each and every year. That is the way the system is designed to work.

In light of the way the current NFL is designed, and does work, 2 playoff appearances in 3 years is doing very well. Let me remind every one that prior to Gibbs 2.0, the Skins had made the playoffs once since Gibbs 1.0 and that was in a year when Snyder had just purchased the team (May '99) and had not had the time to put his imprint on it. After the 1999 season, the Skins had failed to make the playoffs in any year that Snyder owned the team prior to Gibbs 2.0.

My point in all of this is simple. Snyder was given, in my opinion, one of the easiest head coaching decisions of all time: Hire Gregg Williams and continue the continuity that was built in the last 4 years. As someone smarter than me once said: "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." As I see it, the Skins are just going back to what they had done under Snyder prior to Gibbs returning.

What was so wrong with hiring Williams? If things did not work out, and the last 4 games of this year were a fluke, they could have moved on after 1 year under Williams, made a move for Cowher and blown the whole thing up. Instead, the Skins have hired an OC without a head coach and made themselves once again the laughingstock of the entire league. Someone previously suggested that Snyder had an ace up his sleeve in trying to hire Belichick. I hope, but seriously doubt, that they are right.