Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??

[TheSmurfs22]

The best way to shut up the critics like Pasta Belly, Kawakami (sounds like the name of a moped), and Jenkins is for the Skins to win.

[MPNRedskins]

Let the critics run their mouths, as they usually do. Give the man a chance to prove himself before you burn him at the stakes.

[jsarno]

All I have heard is negative comments about the Zorn (HC) signing. It's all over most news outlets, and even ESPN shows like PTI who tried to be positive about it, or at least put a positive spin on it.
A few places have said that the Skins PURPOSELY hired underqualified coaches, knowing they would fail, so they could hire Cowher next year. Not sure where or why they would say that, but I just don't see how these signings are a sign of great things to come for us.

[jsarno]

People here are insulting Adam Schein for his unbiased view of what has happened with the Skins, but fact is, it's his opinion. And let's face it, he's not far off. We have all at one time or another said: "WHAT?" Not a single one of us jumped for joy with the signing Zorn, not a single one of us was thrilled with the promotion shortly after the hire, and not a single one of us was happy when he called us the "marroon and yellow". In fact, I thought there was a poll about what we all wanted, and it was overwhelming that we wanted continuity in our coaching. Well, DS missed the memo on that one. Not only did he fire one of the greatest coaches we have had (GW) he replaced him with a no one. Now we're also hiring D3 coaches??? If this doesn't deserve a WTF! comment, then what does?
This guy is right in saying what he is saying...will he be wrong and Zorn will surprise everone??? Damn I hope so, but commenting on it and spinning it as dumb is not only good for his ratings, it's to be expected. DS will have to rely on a shitload of luck for this to work in our favor.
People bet on odds. The odds of Zorn becoming a super bowl caliber coach is slim. DS should know this, but apparently he is too busy looking for YES men like Cerrato. Hey, I'm all for giving guy chances, and I obviously hope Zorn works out. Like sheriff, I will reserve my judgement of Zorn until I see his coaching ability. But it doesn't make the moves any less dumb! Schein is on the money for writing it, and let's hope Zorn makes him eat his words.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

People here are insulting Adam Schein for his unbiased view of what has happened with the Skins, but fact is, it's his opinion. And let's face it, he's not far off. We have all at one time or another said: "WHAT?" Not a single one of us jumped for joy with the signing Zorn, not a single one of us was thrilled with the promotion shortly after the hire, and not a single one of us was happy when he called us the "marroon and yellow". In fact, I thought there was a poll about what we all wanted, and it was overwhelming that we wanted continuity in our coaching. Well, DS missed the memo on that one. Not only did he fire one of the greatest coaches we have had (GW) he replaced him with a no one. Now we're also hiring D3 coaches??? If this doesn't deserve a WTF! comment, then what does?
This guy is right in saying what he is saying...will he be wrong and Zorn will surprise everone??? Damn I hope so, but commenting on it and spinning it as dumb is not only good for his ratings, it's to be expected. DS will have to rely on a shitload of luck for this to work in our favor.
People bet on odds. The odds of Zorn becoming a super bowl caliber coach is slim. DS should know this, but apparently he is too busy looking for YES men like Cerrato. Hey, I'm all for giving guy chances, and I obviously hope Zorn works out. Like sheriff, I will reserve my judgement of Zorn until I see his coaching ability. But it doesn't make the moves any less dumb! Schein is on the money for writing it, and let's hope Zorn makes him eat his words.

Please don't speak for everybody Jsarno, because I for one was very happy with the hiring. In fact, I never once displayed a displeasure for the choice. While I wouldn't have hated the move to get Fassel, this hire has made me very excited.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Please don't speak for everybody Jsarno, because I for one was very happy with the hiring. In fact, I never once displayed a displeasure for the choice. While I wouldn't have hated the move to get Fassel, this hire has made me very excited.

Well, I don't beleive you, but I will trust what you're saying. No one even knew Zorn was on the radar. So most of us said "What?"

Why did this signing make you excited? A guy with no experience as a coodinator being our HC making anyone exciting is surprising to me. Please explain.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I don't beleive you, but I will trust what you're saying. No one even knew Zorn was on the radar. So most of us said "What?"

Well, just don't believe me then, but don't speak for others please.

Originally Posted by jsarno

Why did this signing make you excited? A guy with no experience as a coodinator being our HC making anyone exciting is surprising to me. Please explain.

Go read Zorn's bio with your own eyes. Don't take the media's word for it. It so happens that Zorn has been an offensive coordinator, albeit not in the NFL, but you didn't specifiy. Zorn is a very organized person, much like Gibbs. In fact, he has a lot of Joe Gibbs' characteristics. I also happen to be very excited by the thought of having the WCO here in Washington. I believe we happen to have most of the right players for this particular offense. Furthermore, the guy has done a great job molding Matt Hasselbeck into a pretty good quarterback, wouldn't you agree? If he can do the same for Jason Campbell, all the better. Finally, Jim Zorn is a player's coach. He will listen to his players much like how Gibbs would do, and this will provide a since of continuity as well.

There are plenty of reasons to be at least cautiously optimistic, but never once I have ever displayed any displeasure or negativity toward this hiring. I am on the Jim Zorn bandwagon all the way to the Super Bowl or until the wheels fall off. Which ever happens first.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Well, just don't believe me then, but don't speak for others please.



Go read Zorn's bio with your own eyes. Don't take the media's word for it. It so happens that Zorn has been an offensive coordinator, albeit not in the NFL, but you didn't specifiy. Zorn is a very organized person, much like Gibbs. In fact, he has a lot of Joe Gibbs' characteristics. I also happen to be very excited by the thought of having the WCO here in Washington. I believe we happen to have most of the right players for this particular offense. Furthermore, the guy has done a great job molding Matt Hasselbeck into a pretty good quarterback, wouldn't you agree? If he can do the same for Jason Campbell, all the better. Finally, Jim Zorn is a player's coach. He will listen to his players much like how Gibbs would do, and this will provide a since of continuity as well.

There are plenty of reasons to be at least cautiously optimistic, but never once I have ever displayed any displeasure or negativity toward this hiring. I am on the Jim Zorn bandwagon all the way to the Super Bowl or until the wheels fall off. Which ever happens first.

Plus when people speak about continuity they think only of the coaches. Zorn will have the benefit of an entire infrastructure being in place, medical and training staffs, all the behind the scenes personell we seldom hear about. I would think having all these systems already in place would be a tremendous asset for incoming coach with such limited time to assemble a new staff before serious work needs to be done.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

People here are insulting Adam Schein for his unbiased view of what has happened with the Skins, but fact is, it's his opinion. And let's face it, he's not far off. We have all at one time or another said: "WHAT?" Not a single one of us jumped for joy with the signing Zorn, not a single one of us was thrilled with the promotion shortly after the hire, and not a single one of us was happy when he called us the "marroon and yellow". In fact, I thought there was a poll about what we all wanted, and it was overwhelming that we wanted continuity in our coaching. Well, DS missed the memo on that one. Not only did he fire one of the greatest coaches we have had (GW) he replaced him with a no one. Now we're also hiring D3 coaches??? If this doesn't deserve a WTF! comment, then what does?
This guy is right in saying what he is saying...will he be wrong and Zorn will surprise everone??? Damn I hope so, but commenting on it and spinning it as dumb is not only good for his ratings, it's to be expected. DS will have to rely on a shitload of luck for this to work in our favor.
People bet on odds. The odds of Zorn becoming a super bowl caliber coach is slim. DS should know this, but apparently he is too busy looking for YES men like Cerrato. Hey, I'm all for giving guy chances, and I obviously hope Zorn works out. Like sheriff, I will reserve my judgement of Zorn until I see his coaching ability. But it doesn't make the moves any less dumb! Schein is on the money for writing it, and let's hope Zorn makes him eat his words.

I think that Zorn probably would have benefitted from another year of not having to be head coach. I don't know that he's quite ready and this is not an easy team to get your start with. Zorn as an offensive coordinator/QB coach is definitely a great move. As Head Coach? I think it can be very good but how soon and will it be for the Redskins?

However, here are the problems with your post above. The problems I have at least. The issue I have with Schein's piece is that he lambasts the Redskins for hiring a head coach who has never been a coordinator. Fine, whatever. I don't think it's such a huge deal but that is his opinion. Ok, well then don't follow that with comments about the new Ravens coach saying he applauds the great, out of the box thinking of not hiring a coordinator.

I won't go into the whole Williams debate, but I will say that technically Greg Blache replaced Williams. And Blache is not a no one.

To get all agitated about who was hired to be an offensive assistant? Reedychulouz. Bill Belichick was, if I recall correctly, an offensive assistant straight out of college (I could be wrong though).

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think that Zorn probably would have benefitted from another year of not having to be head coach. I don't know that he's quite ready and this is not an easy team to get your start with. Zorn as an offensive coordinator/QB coach is definitely a great move. As Head Coach? I think it can be very good but how soon and will it be for the Redskins?

I agree he would have benefitted from a year as OC, and I thought the original signing as OC was a good one. Just sceptical about the HC spot.

However, here are the problems with your post above. The problems I have at least. The issue I have with Schein's piece is that he lambasts the Redskins for hiring a head coach who has never been a coordinator. Fine, whatever. I don't think it's such a huge deal but that is his opinion. Ok, well then don't follow that with comments about the new Ravens coach saying he applauds the great, out of the box thinking of not hiring a coordinator.

You are absolutely right about the guy saying it was bad for us, but not for Baltimore. That is something I am not defending, just defending his comments about us.

I won't go into the whole Williams debate, but I will say that technically Greg Blache replaced Williams. And Blache is not a no one.

Well, I would agree with you here, but I am just not convinced that Blache can run the D like GW. GW was the the REAL DC, not Blache.

To get all agitated about who was hired to be an offensive assistant? Reedychulouz. Bill Belichick was, if I recall correctly, an offensive assistant straight out of college (I could be wrong though).

I am not completely agitated over that, but I feel you need experience when your HC has none. Hiring a D3 coach is not wise.

ps- Belichick was hired as a "special assistant" in Baltimore in 75, and served under MANY titles in his career, including: Assistant special teams coach, special teams coach, Wide receivers coach, tight ends coach, defensive assistant, linebackers coach, assistant head coach, defensive backs coach, and of course, DC for 6 years. He was in the NFL from 75-90 before getting a shot at head coaching in Cleveland. The reason he is so successful (minus the cheating) is because he's done it all. (one of the reasons anyway)

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I agree he would have benefitted from a year as OC, and I thought the original signing as OC was a good one. Just sceptical about the HC spot.

Understood

You are absolutely right about the guy saying it was bad for us, but not for Baltimore. That is something I am not defending, just defending his comments about us.

Ok, and I'm saying his whole piece is indefensible because he's inconsistent

Well, I would agree with you here, but I am just not convinced that Blache can run the D like GW. GW was the the REAL DC, not Blache.

Fine, but Blache does have experience at that level. Plus, it has been noted (can probably look it up) that Blache's influence in simplifying the defense went a long way toward the unit rebounding this year off 2006

I am not completely agitated over that, but I feel you need experience when your HC has none. Hiring a D3 coach is not wise.

ps- Belichick was hired as a "special assistant" in Baltimore in 75, and served under MANY titles in his career, including: Assistant special teams coach, special teams coach, Wide receivers coach, tight ends coach, defensive assistant, linebackers coach, assistant head coach, defensive backs coach, and of course, DC for 6 years. He was in the NFL from 75-90 before getting a shot at head coaching in Cleveland. The reason he is so successful (minus the cheating) is because he's done it all.

They've got experience through several members of their coaching staff. I don't see why the concern about who the offensive assistant is. He's not being hired to be the offensive coordinator.

Ok, so he was "special assistant" The point was he got his start somewhere and he got it right out of college. As you say, he's done it all but at one point he was a nobody serving as an assistant

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They've got experience through several members of their coaching staff. I don't see why the concern about who the offensive assistant is. He's not being hired to be the offensive coordinator.

Well, we seem to agree on most everything except these two things.
While he's not being hired as OC, what's the point of hiring a guy as a coach if it's a meaningless position? It was a poor choice to hire a D3 coach to help coach an offense when the HC has no experience. They should have gotten someone to be more of a consultant and help where Zorn lacks. Of course we will never speak of this again due to the fact that it's an obscure position.

Ok, so he was "special assistant" The point was he got his start somewhere and he got it right out of college. As you say, he's done it all but at one point he was a nobody serving as an assistant

A lot of people got spots out of college. Belichick got a lowly position as a special assistant, so I am unsure of your point. If it's to say that our lovely D3 coach got a job out of college as well...well that I am not arguing. What I am arguing is that Zorn has no experience so hire someone that does to help aid Zorn. That wasn't the case with Belichick...and had we still had Gibbs, I could care less about the chance we are taking on this guy. To be honest, I am more upset about Zorn than I am anything else. The other stuff is just adding insult to injury. If we hire an OC with no experience, then depending on his experience, I am really not going to be happy.

[FRPLG]

I'd honestly like to know WTF it matters whether a guy was a coordinator? Anyone have any reasonable explanation of why a HC HAS to have been a coordinator to become a good HC? HC is more about leading and less about game planning since you have an entire staff of people to do it. HCs give direction and lead. So I don't give one little bit of sh*t whether he was an OC and I think those that do don't know what the hell they are talking about.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'd honestly like to know WTF it matters whether a guy was a coordinator? Anyone have any reasonable explanation of why a HC HAS to have been a coordinator to become a good HC? HC is more about leading and less about game planning since you have an entire staff of people to do it. HCs give direction and lead. So I don't give one little bit of sh*t whether he was an OC and I think those that do don't know what the hell they are talking about.

Well, how about asst head coach then? Or how about a HC at ANY LEVEL?

You don't hire the CEO of a company out of the mailroom. There is a reason people need to build experience...to ignore it is not wise.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, how about asst head coach then? Or how about a HC at ANY LEVEL?

You don't hire the CEO of a company out of the mailroom. There is a reason people need to build experience...to ignore it is not wise.

Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin, and Jack Del Rio were not OC's or DC's before getting their chance at being the HC. They all do have one thing in common though. They were all players first.