Defensive line..Stop the man crushes..

[WaldSkins]

I say we offer Brennan to the Giants for Usi and Justin tuck. I know we'd be giving up our future hall of fame qb, but we need some sacks. They would be stupid not to take the trade.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

I say we offer Brennan to the Giants for Usi and Justin tuck. I know we'd be giving up our future hall of fame qb, but we need some sacks. They would be stupid not to take the trade.

Only if they through in their first round picks in 2009 & 2010. Even then they'd be taking us for a ride.

[724Skinsfan]

Actually, I'm thinking Indy is secretly hoping Peyton will stay injured so they can trade Reggie Wayne, Bob Sanders and Dwight Freeney for Colt. The name and star power is too great to pass up.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I'm not trying to speak for SS -- he's pretty good at that himself. However, you started this thread, and nothing has come out of it. No good discussion -- nothing but off-topic BS.

There's a reason for that: you didn't make your case very clearly, and so there were no specific talking points. You just said that the d-line is underachieving, with no arguments to back it up.

SS said, "Daniels, Griffin, Boschetti, Evans, Golston, Wilson, Alexander, and Montgomery need to go?"

You said, "NO I am talking about older playrs that haven't produced and other players that haven't produced."

So, if not any of the players SS mentioned, then who needs to go? I'm not sure there is anyone left.

I'm not trying to gang-up on you. In all actuality, some guys on the d-line will be cut, and this could be a good discussion about who should go.

So, who should go?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

SS said, "Daniels, Griffin, Boschetti, Evans, Golston, Wilson, Alexander, and Montgomery need to go?"



So, who should go?

Griffin is getting ancient. But he is good against the run but not a good pass rusher. Daniels is hurt but he hasn't produced when he wasn't. he is getting older and I thought he would have a good year because of his weight lifting regimen. But he got hurt. Buzbee probably would have been a good addition but he got hurt. He is what I consider new blood and a good prospect. Boschetti has not produced. Evans has been decent but not fantastic. You can say the same for Golston. Wilson stepped up at the end of last year. So he may be a keeper. Alexander showed versatility in that he can play O-Line and D-Line so he's a keeper. Montgomery is still young and has good push and has looked decent against the run so he is definitely a keeper. JT may change the dynamics of inside rsuh with people having to pick whether they double team him or Carter. As a whole th past few years the only person whohas stepped up is Carter. That is my point. If Rob Jackson can rush the passer than why should he go to the practice squad? He's looked pretty good in preseason especially since he is a rookie. Its good to have vet leadership. But if they are not producing then the management needs to bring in new blood or concentrate on the D-line in the future. Which they should have address in the draft or free-agency. But JT was definitely a good pick up and if Erasmus James is a good pick up. But if people want Erasmus James on the IR and Rob Jackson on the PS then we basically only picke dup one player and lost two in daniels & buzbee. I heard several teams were interested in Buzbee it was a shame he got hurt. But you win games in the trenches. The Giants showed that. Hopefully our D-line steps up with the help of Taylor and can perform with the likes of the Giants who were lights out the other night on the D-Line, or the Eagles how always have a good line and the Cowboy which I hate to admit but have a decent D-Line also. We need to step up in that area. We might not be able to do anything this year. But hopefully we will in the future.

As far as other people talking off topic. I have nothing to do with that. Sorry I am not a supreme poster on here. But no one if goign to effin insult me because they are getting pissed about a thread I started. Dont read it. Dont reply. But definitely dont start cursing at me. Just state what your issue is. Which I have psoted peoples names in some of the replies in this thread. But I felt it no need to call out people when the D-Line as a whole has not produced sacks or that many QB pressures.

[12thMan]

[quote=dmvskinzfan08;465623]Griffin is getting ancient. quote]

I'm sure by now you think you're being picked on. I just wanted to point out that Griff is only 31 years old. I say only because that's far from ancient.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'm not trying to speak for SS -- he's pretty good at that himself. However, you started this thread, and nothing has come out of it. No good discussion -- nothing but off-topic BS.

There's a reason for that: you didn't make your case very clearly, and so there were no specific talking points. You just said that the d-line is underachieving, with no arguments to back it up.

SS said, "Daniels, Griffin, Boschetti, Evans, Golston, Wilson, Alexander, and Montgomery need to go?"

You said, "NO I am talking about older playrs that haven't produced and other players that haven't produced."

So, if not any of the players SS mentioned, then who needs to go? I'm not sure there is anyone left.

I'm not trying to gang-up on you. In all actuality, some guys on the d-line will be cut, and this could be a good discussion about who should go.

So, who should go?

My fault for not being direct in my thread post. Thanks you for responding without throwing effin this and effin that in there and acting like I insulted your family. Hopefully I cleared things up. I also changed the thread so people can talk about who they think is not producing and hwo needs to be cut. Hopefully that's better. Thanks

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I'm not trying to speak for SS -- he's pretty good at that himself. However, you started this thread, and nothing has come out of it. No good discussion -- nothing but off-topic BS.

There's a reason for that: you didn't make your case very clearly, and so there were no specific talking points. You just said that the d-line is underachieving, with no arguments to back it up.

SS said, "Daniels, Griffin, Boschetti, Evans, Golston, Wilson, Alexander, and Montgomery need to go?"

You said, "NO I am talking about older playrs that haven't produced and other players that haven't produced."

So, if not any of the players SS mentioned, then who needs to go? I'm not sure there is anyone left.

I'm not trying to gang-up on you. In all actuality, some guys on the d-line will be cut, and this could be a good discussion about who should go.

So, who should go?

Thanks. I mean he was asked multiple times, not just by me, to state who he was talking about. Instead, he wanted to make it some sort of guessing game. Instead of saying "not these guys" he could of just said "these guys" but he didn't. After the first few times of niceties, the only way it seemed possible to get through was to be "a little less nice"

[dmvskinzfan08]

Thanks Ghetto..for the niceties (not using effin and throwing a fit and asking what I meant calmly)!! Sorry but I wasn't on here to see your replies and I probably missed them SmootSmack. Its called patience young grasshopper. Calm down dude..WooooSaaaaaa.. Breathe in...Breathe out...

Oh and for those who have to name call. Dont ban me when I fire back!!

If you are strong enough to dish it you are strong enough to take it..despite your relegated authority..

They will remain nameless..

Because if you agree with my opinion or not..Just say you dont agree. But if not I hope you are a coach that is a troll or someone with expertise if not your thoughts are opinions too. And like an ol man told me opinions are like a-holes..everyone has one..

So unless you are a coach a gm of a NFL team or you have experience beyond this board respect others opinions and disagree without insulting them. Because soon as they insult you back. You have an issue..This is a forum. Not the Senate or Congress or some imperial soap box of knowledge for illuminated dignitaries. This is football talk. Stop spitting in your fellow Redskins fans face. Save it for the cowgirls or some hated opponent. Please forgive me..For I have sinned

As for the posting of this thread..time will tell..I have expressed my thoughts in better detail on the latter replies..enough said

Thanks

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Thanks Ghetto..for the niceties (not using effin and throwing a fit and asking what I meant calmly)!! Sorry but I wasn't on here to see your replies and I probably missed them SmootSmack. Its called patience young grasshopper. Calm down dude..WooooSaaaaaa.. Breathe in...Breathe out...

Oh and for those who have to name call. Dont ban me when I fire back!!

If you are strong enough to dish it you are strong enough to take it..despite your relegated authority..

They will remain nameless..

Because if you agree with my opinion or not..Just say you dont agree. But if not I hope you are a coach that is a troll or someone with expertise if not your thoughts are opinions too. And like an ol man told me opinions are like a-holes..everyone has one..

So unless you are a coach a gm of a NFL team or you have experience beyond this board respect others opinions and disagree without insulting them. Because soon as they insult you back. You have an issue..This is a forum. Not the Senate or Congress or some imperial soap box of knowledge for illuminated dignitaries. This is football talk. Stop spitting in your fellow Redskins fans face. Save it for the cowgirls or some hated opponent. Please forgive me..For I have sinned

As for the posting of this thread..time will tell..I have expressed my thoughts in better detail on the latter replies..enough said

Thanks

Please stop the whining.

However, I always enjoy these little diatribes, especially from the new people who think they've got everything figured out. It's amusing in a way. Then again, I'm usually bored and therefore, easily amused.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Please stop the whining.

However, I always enjoy these little diatribes, especially from the new people who think they've got everything figured out. It's amusing in a way. Then again, I'm usually bored and therefore, easily amused.

NO one is whining about anything. I have been called stupid and other names on this freakin board..I posted a thread out of aggravation with our D-Line. Get over it..Some people responded without insults. Some others should learn to do the same..For those that can't..you know what you can do...

man crushes (should have said holding on to players because of their experience but lack of production) might have been the wrong term. I want some sacks this year dammit..is that better (JT, AC & DBs excluded)..lol

You always have the choice to not read it.....I never thought I had everything figure out..But I bet some others do..I just know what I see..Our D-Line hopefully improves this year...Going back to reading what I originally posted. I was making a statement. The ill advised use of the word man-crushes refers to the coaching staff not necessarily members of the board..Now is it clear..God Bless Good Night!!

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Thanks Ghetto..for the niceties (not using effin and throwing a fit and asking what I meant calmly)!! Sorry but I wasn't on here to see your replies and I probably missed them SmootSmack. Its called patience young grasshopper. Calm down dude..WooooSaaaaaa.. Breathe in...Breathe out...

Oh and for those who have to name call. Dont ban me when I fire back!!

If you are strong enough to dish it you are strong enough to take it..despite your relegated authority..

They will remain nameless..

Because if you agree with my opinion or not..Just say you dont agree. But if not I hope you are a coach that is a troll or someone with expertise if not your thoughts are opinions too. And like an ol man told me opinions are like a-holes..everyone has one..

So unless you are a coach a gm of a NFL team or you have experience beyond this board respect others opinions and disagree without insulting them. Because soon as they insult you back. You have an issue..This is a forum. Not the Senate or Congress or some imperial soap box of knowledge for illuminated dignitaries. This is football talk. Stop spitting in your fellow Redskins fans face. Save it for the cowgirls or some hated opponent. Please forgive me..For I have sinned

As for the posting of this thread..time will tell..I have expressed my thoughts in better detail on the latter replies..enough said

Thanks

Wow... what a pointless end to a pointless train of thought. Your entire opinion can be summarized in two sentences: We need a better rush from the D-Line. Some of the D-Line, Griffin in particular, are older players who should be released to make room for younger players (I still haven't read anything justifying the assertion that there were "man-crushes" for D-Line players.).

"Time will tell"?? Time will tell what? That you have made some half-assed observation that you mistakenly believed was insightful?

<sigh> I feel dirty for having wasted my time on this.

[J. Spanky]

wow. i'm amazed this redundant, pointless thread has gone on to nearly 7 pages.

wake me when we get to the meadowlands...

[Stacks42]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Thanks Ghetto..for the niceties (not using effin and throwing a fit and asking what I meant calmly)!! Sorry but I wasn't on here to see your replies and I probably missed them SmootSmack. Its called patience young grasshopper. Calm down dude..WooooSaaaaaa.. Breathe in...Breathe out...

Oh and for those who have to name call. Dont ban me when I fire back!!

If you are strong enough to dish it you are strong enough to take it..despite your relegated authority..

They will remain nameless..

Because if you agree with my opinion or not..Just say you dont agree. But if not I hope you are a coach that is a troll or someone with expertise if not your thoughts are opinions too. And like an ol man told me opinions are like a-holes..everyone has one..

So unless you are a coach a gm of a NFL team or you have experience beyond this board respect others opinions and disagree without insulting them. Because soon as they insult you back. You have an issue..This is a forum. Not the Senate or Congress or some imperial soap box of knowledge for illuminated dignitaries. This is football talk. Stop spitting in your fellow Redskins fans face. Save it for the cowgirls or some hated opponent. Please forgive me..For I have sinned

As for the posting of this thread..time will tell..I have expressed my thoughts in better detail on the latter replies..enough said

Thanks

I really have no words. I walk away from this thread having lost brain cells just for reading it.

[GTripp0012]

The other big, big issue in the defensive front seven was that London Fletcher had to make a lot of plays last year, as he usually does on his teams. But the problem is this: when the plays are getting to Fletcher (who often lines up 7-8 yards behind the LOS), more likely than not the offense has accomplished it's goal on the play.

I'm certain that the addition of Jason Taylor will fix whatever was ailing the pass rush. But it won't fix the inability of the LB's to create big plays, which is generally a main key to a Blache-led defense. The linebackers have to do better than they did last year, and hopefully, for the first time in his career, London Fletcher can get some help in play making from the guys on either side of him, and won't have such an obscene percentage of the Redskins' tackles this year.