obama informercial gameday thread

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I thought you were off his bandwagon?

http://www.thewarpath.net/481751-post40.html

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But I guess he's not the "wanker trying to get his" anymore?

http://www.thewarpath.net/455906-post1.html

I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other issues I care about. Again, what is the problem?

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And it's interesting how you can stand McCain's policies now

http://www.thewarpath.net/453637-post15.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/438209-post2.html

I understand these are just two issues, but I think it illustrates that when it comes down to it, even the brightest minds care less about where they stand on issues than their general impression of the candidates.

LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?



I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other issues I care about. Again, what is the problem?



LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.

I just think it's interesting that you mention your frustrations with Obama in passing while still voting for him, by the same token you mention where you agree with McCain in passing while focusing on his "incompetence"

I mean, in my opinion, the minute you wrote your the Republican base is all about guns, greeds, gays and God reminds you of an odious tampon I sort of figured your posts moving forward would be as balanced as Buster's or 70Chip's. Which honestly let me down.

Oh well, you're still cool in my book. Just disappointed with the shift in your political threads to what strikes me almost as one-sided anger

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?



I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other issues I care about. Again, what is the problem?



LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.

Saden if I'm correct you said at one time you despise Republicans in general. I could have you mixed up with another poster but I'm about 99% sure it was something you posted.

[saden1]

Obama's recent comment regarding the kind of judges he wants also softened me up a bit on him:

"We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."

-Obama

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Obama's recent comment regarding the kind of judges he wants also softened me up a bit on him:

I thought a judges job was to interpet the law and not make law.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by saden1

Obama's recent comment regarding the kind of judges he wants also softened me up a bit on him:

Funny you'd pick that quote because that's precisely one of the reasons I won't vote for Obama.

I think the composition of the Supreme Court and the appointments a president gets to make is one of the most crucial factors come election time.

Someone who is going to base judge appointments on emotion and empathy scares the living daylights on me. I want experience, reason, rationale and the guts to make tough decisions, not someone who is going to vote based on some empathetic emotional whim.

There's a lot of factors that would go into making a good judge, empathy being one of many. For Obama to seemingly highlight that as the only one that's important scares me.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Funny you'd pick that quote because that's precisely one of the reasons I won't vote for Obama.

I think the composition of the Supreme Court and the appointments a president gets to make is one of the most crucial factors come election time.

Someone who is going to base judge appointments on emotion and empathy scares the living daylights on me. I want experience, reason, rationale and the guts to make tough decisions, not someone who is going to vote based on some empathetic emotional whim.

There's a lot of factors that would go into making a good judge, empathy being one of many. For Obama to seemingly highlight that as the only one that's important scares me.

Well, that's where we part ways. I believe it is essential that a judge be able to reconcile current law and a new issue facing the court. Without the ability to "intellectually identify with or vicarious experience of feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another" a judge lacks the ability to make sound judgment necessary to resolve cases without precedence (what the Supreme Court routinely does).

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by saden1

Well, that's where we part ways...I believe it is essential that a judge be able to reconcile current law and a new issue facing the court. Without the ability to "intellectually identify with or vicarious experience of feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another" they lack the ability to make sound judgment necessary to resolve cases without precedence (what the Supreme Court routinely does).

Like I said, empathy is important - but it's one important trait amongst many.

Obama offered no other criteria (at least in that quote) and leads you to believe that his judge appointments will be based solely on whether the judge is empathetic or not.

Empathy is important, without a doubt. I would argue, though, that while it's important, it's certainly not THE most important or the only criteria by which a judge ought to be measured.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Like I said, empathy is important - but it's one important trait amongst many.

Obama offered no other criteria (at least in that quote) and leads you to believe that his judge appointments will be based solely on whether the judge is empathetic or not.

Empathy is important, without a doubt. I would argue, though, that while it's important, it's certainly not THE most important or the only criteria by which a judge ought to be measured.

And the most important criterion would be?

[That Guy]

saden, your defending him like a defense trial laywer.. i guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.

I mean really, he agreed in spirit that he would, and then, once it came down to it, he jumped ship. And i mean, despite his speeches, his actual track record is to vote straight democratic 97% of the time. He's just about as far left as you can get.

I'm not a huge fan of mccain's pandering or his choice of palin (and i'm not voting for either btw), but his track record is 85% republican party line voting, which is at least a bit more moderate, and there is a chance he could go back to the guy from 2000 once in office.

not that it matters, since your bias has been insanely one sided since this whole thing began, but neither one of them is crapping roses, and there's a good chance once obama gets elected that a lot of people may end up disappointed after his term is done.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

saden, your defending him like a defense trial laywer.. i guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.

I mean really, he agreed in spirit that he would, and then, once it came down to it, he jumped ship. And i mean, despite his speeches, his actual track record is to vote straight democratic 97% of the time. He's just about as far left as you can get.

I'm not a huge fan of mccain's pandering or his choice of palin (and i'm not voting for either btw), but his track record is 85% republican party line voting, which is at least a bit more moderate, and there is a chance he could go back to the guy from 2000 once in office.

not that it matters, since your bias has been insanely one sided since this whole thing began, but neither one of them is crapping roses, and there's a good chance once obama gets elected that a lot of people may end up disappointed after his term is done.

I always knew I would make a fantastic lawyer. Obama certainly did some calculating, that doesn't necessarily mean he lied or reneged on promise.

With respect to voting 97% of the time with democrats, well, not all ideas are equal, some ideas are in fact better than others. McCain can vote 100% republicans but he should make sure he's voting for good ideas people can get behind...lord knows if you don't, well, you just might not become president.

My bias (preference seems like a better choice if you ask) is fully explain and rationalized in my post. If anything isn't clear, I'll be happy to clarify.

I have said it before, with Obama, I'm hoping for the best, expecting the worst. Whatever happens know that saden will be good to go.

[dmek25]

isn't a supreme court justice's job to interpret and enforce the constitution? im not sure what experience, and guts have to do with it?

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by dmek25

isn't a supreme court justice's job to interpret and enforce the constitution? im not sure what experience, and guts have to do with it?

Because accurately and intelligently interpreting the constitution would require some substantial legal experience and the ability to make tough decisions when asked.

Would you like to appoint some kid fresh out of law school who can't decide what he wants for dinner to the Supreme Court? Of COURSE experience and integrity/guts/will is required.

[MTK]

I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think it was Bill Maher that said the right wing "batshit crazy" types, you know the Jesus and guns people should just start their own party, because they are so far from what the Republican base used to be. Hopefully this election will be a wake up call for the Republicans to move away from those wackos. I'm not counting on it though.

Better hope McCain doesn't win, because all that's going to do is make the batshit crazy types cling stronger to the Republicans.

It's funny because I'm conservative on a lot of things such as spending and most notably crime and punishment (A Dem that favors the death penalty. Go figure) But its the crazy types that start bringing Jesus and gun control and all this other stuff that shouldn't matter as much into it and completely turns me off. Cause I could honestly care less about what people think about Jesus and guns. I'm cool with both.

Plus there's the stuff that I am liberal on like abortion, gay marriage, affirmative action, blah blah blah. That I just can't go right on. I wish there was some middle party I could vote for. I'd be totally down for that.