Clinton Portis on the JT Show

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The same should go for Zorn.

Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

You make it sound like our front office is hanging Zorn out to dry on purpose? But I think it has less to do with the front office and more with the players. They have to work with Zorn on a day-to-day basis. I think the front office would support him, more or less.. At least in front of the cameras.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

You need to read more articles. I've read it plenty from both, especially Snyder.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You need to read more articles. I've read it plenty from both, especially Snyder.

I guess not enough press is generated from such

You'd think it'd be something huge to harp on, like the minor shit we bs on daily

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

Do you really think the rumors are coming from the FO? I doubt it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

Actually Snyder has freely admitted to some of his past mistakes.

I'm not so sure any of these rumors are coming from the top.

[Schneed10]

Portis is right on almost all accounts. But he needs to not air it out in the media, because that only makes matters worse. Instead of having a fractured locker room, now they have a fractured locker room visible to the public and the media.

Nevertheless, he makes numerous points all of which make me long for the steady leadership of Joe Gibbs.

- Never criticize your players in the papers, on TV, or on the radio. Don't say things like "we didn't execute." If you have a problem with a player, take it up with him in the locker room. Treat it like family. If you're going to criticize guys outside of the family, don't be shocked if they do the same to you.

- There's a reason you always heard Gibbs say "they fought their guts out." He wasn't going to admonish anyone in the press, he'd do it behind closed doors. Players respected him because he showed them that level of respect. You don't "command" respect, you earn it.

- Don't treat all players the same. There's a subtle caste system and seniority system in every workplace. Guys who bust their ass and prove they can perform at a high level deserve more leeway.

- If the head coach and team leader is going to personally tutor the QB, he needs to pay special attention to how the rest of the team views this. Campbell must be made to feel like one of the guys. As the QB he's the leader of the players, yes, but he's still a player. He cannot be above reproach, Zorn cannot continually defend him in the media while calling out other players.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Portis is right on almost all accounts. But he needs to not air it out in the media, because that only makes matters worse. Instead of having a fractured locker room, now they have a fractured locker room visible to the public and the media.

Nevertheless, he makes numerous points all of which make me long for the steady leadership of Joe Gibbs.

- Never criticize your players in the papers, on TV, or on the radio. Don't say things like "we didn't execute." If you have a problem with a player, take it up with him in the locker room. Treat it like family. If you're going to criticize guys outside of the family, don't be shocked if they do the same to you.

- There's a reason you always heard Gibbs say "they fought their guts out." He wasn't going to admonish anyone in the press, he'd do it behind closed doors. Players respected him because he showed them that level of respect. You don't "command" respect, you earn it.

- Don't treat all players the same. There's a subtle caste system and seniority system in every workplace. Guys who bust their ass and prove they can perform at a high level deserve more leeway.

- If the head coach and team leader is going to personally tutor the QB, he needs to pay special attention to how the rest of the team views this. Campbell must be made to feel like one of the guys. As the QB he's the leader of the players, yes, but he's still a player. He cannot be above reproach, Zorn cannot continually defend him in the media while calling out other players.

Isn't it funny how fans grew to hate that? Now Zorn is on the hot seat for doing the very thing that people wanted Gibbs to do. Hilarious.

Joe did it the right way, maybe he took it to an extreme but still, it was something the players definitely respected. They knew he had their back, and as a result there was a high level of trust there.

[MTK]

Good read by Boswell here, I tend to agree with him.

washingtonpost.com

[Skinner]

Clinton shouldn't have aired this out in the media, but he has every right to be upset. Zorn's decision making lately has been absolutely terrible.

[tryfuhl]

will read through the rest later but there are a few people on our team that deserve a championship atmosphere.. hopefully we can provide that

I don't think that zorn's career as an HC is over.. I'm just not sure he was ready for the multitude of choices and opportunities that may have surrounded him.. I'm not even ready to give up on him myself.. I just think that he needs to find his way..

[tryfuhl]

take a top tier back and put him in our offense

wonder there hasn't been people murdered

all i gotta say

someone wanna explain why CP was out when there was no injury report? get back to me

not saying he would've saved the game, just wondering

[joethiesmanfan]

I agree with Portis based on one play from the Ravens game. Let us not forget our wide receiver screen play. We ran one wide receiver screen to Santana and he almost broke it, took it 25 yards on a third and long. Now this play showed me something. We have had the answer to these exotic blitzes that overload one side of the line with a safety and linebacker this whole month. After Santana took that wide receiver screen Jason started having time and we drove on them. Seems to me Zorn is trying to make this rocket science when it isn't. I believe a few wide receiver screens will hold off that “get to Jason fast as you can blitz mentality”. Overload your safety and send him to Jason if you dare. Your safety in the backfield and Moss will be in the end zone. I think that's the solution to all this mess. What you fellas think? Joe Gibbs gave Zorn the eggs. Jimmy, just make the freaking Omelets.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

I agree with Portis based on one play from the Ravens game. Let us not forget our wide receiver screen play. We ran one wide receiver screen to Santana and he almost broke it, took it 25 yards on a third and long. Now this play showed me something. We have had the answer to these exotic blitzes that overload one side of the line with a safety and linebacker this whole month. After Santana took that wide receiver screen Jason started having time and we drove on them. Seems to me Zorn is trying to make this rocket science when it isn't. I believe a few wide receiver screens will hold off that “get to Jason fast as you can blitz mentality”. Overload your safety and send him to Jason if you dare. Your safety in the backfield and Moss will be in the end zone. I think that's the solution to all this mess. What you fellas think? Joe Gibbs gave Zorn the eggs. Jimmy, just make the freaking Omelets.

Remember, the Redskins were third and one, got a false start, 3rd and 6, another false start, 3rd and 11, then ran a successful draw with Sellers that was called back by holding, and then ran that wide receiver screen for the first down.

I think it's very telling that Zorn had to call 4 straight plays to get the first down, and while getting the first down was getting progressively more unlikely, Zorn still managed to get it.

[joethiesmanfan]

GTripp0012I think it's very telling that Zorn had to call 4 straight plays to get the first down, and while getting the first down was getting progressively more unlikely, Zorn still managed to get it.

I agree with you Zorn got the first down with the draw, but the point I was trying to make is :
1. We have been running the draw during this 1-4 slide. (defenses are watching that)
2. Those overloading blitzes are not new to the NFL.
3. Wide receiver screen is a potent play we execute well, let us not forget the excitement it brings to the offense. No one does that play like Moss.
4.Wide receiver screens to Moss make overloading blitzes a gamble. Call it at the wrong time you giving up a TD.
5. After running a couple fo those at tehe beginning of the game as a reminder like Gibbs used to do, then Zorn can play with his WCO toys.