Portis

[44ever]

Bottom line guys if Portis stayed healthy he would be the NFL leading rusher.

[dmek25]

portis is a top 5 back. he makes a ton of defenders miss. its just that its usually behind the line of scrimmage, just trying to get into the hole. lets face it. our offensive line is just that, offensive. you name me one more complete back in this league. its really hard to do, isn't it?

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by dmek25

portis is a top 5 back. he makes a ton of defenders miss. its just that its usually behind the line of scrimmage, just trying to get into the hole. lets face it. our offensive line is just that, offensive. you name me one more complete back in this league. its really hard to do, isn't it?

AP
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Michael Turner
D. Williams

I'd rather have all those guys.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

This is still going?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

AP
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Michael Turner
D. Williams

I'd rather have all those guys.

first off without Jacobs the Giants look no better than the Redskins against the Cowboys. So that says a lot when your talking about a great team like the Giants to be effected in such a negative way without there running back. I think the Skins suffer similarly without a healthy Portis.

As far as Westbrook. Same thing. When he is healthy Eagles win.

But the fact remains Portis had more yards then all of them individually before his injuries caught up with him.

Again if Portis remained healthy he would be the league top rusher and probably in line for MVP.

We can't win without Portis.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 44ever

first off without Jacobs the Giants look no better than the Redskins against the Cowboys. So that says a lot when your talking about a great team like the Giants to be effected in such a negative way without there running back. I think the Skins suffer similarly without a healthy Portis.

As far as Westbrook. Same thing. When he is healthy Eagles win.

But the fact remains Portis had more yards then all of them individually before his injuries caught up with him.

Again if Portis remained healthy he would be the league top rusher and probably in line for MVP.

We can't win without Portis.

Is it that Jacob's missing that is hurting their game or the fact that teams don't have to have two players covering Plax. The NFL network did a piece on this and they showed how teams have changed their D scheme against the Giants without plax.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Is it that Jacob's missing that is hurting their game or the fact that teams don't have to have two players covering Plax. The NFL network did a piece on this and they showed how teams have changed their D scheme against the Giants without plax.

I think it's fair to say Plax is hurting the Giants but Jacobs seems to make it or break it for them. Portis is not only our running back but a team leader as well. I think Zorn didn't know how to recover when he lost the luxury of a solid Portis game.(s) He and his team where leaning to heavily on Portis. I think it's fair to give Zorn a offseason to regroup. Institute his offence. Keep all our same personnel but pick up some linemen on both sides. And keep Portis!

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

AP
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Michael Turner
D. Williams

I'd rather have all those guys.

go be a eagles/giants fan then cuz ya blind anyways so it doesnt matter.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

AP
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Westbrook
Michael Turner
D. Williams

I'd rather have all those guys.

I think you mean you rather have there offensive line

[over the mountain]

^^^ thats b/c backs who take on all facets of the game get pounded on and dont stick around to long after the 3-4 years they are the featured back. terrell davis, jamal anderson, jamal lewis, marshall faulk, edgerrin james, even LT is showing some slowing down. hell shaun alexander was an MVP 2 years ago worth big bucks is now out of the league.

point is, premier backs (which CP is) do not last long after a good 3-4 years of pounding. i could keep adding names to my list of guys who came out blazing for a 3-4 period carrying their team (just like CP has the past 3-4 years here) but they all break down and fall off after that window of performance and team reliance in their game plan.

im sure the colts fans didnt agree with the dropping of the edge as he was still relatively young, fun to watch, and still had productive years ahead of him but the colts (a perennial power house with good management) knew better, took the fan disappointment and went to the SB!! no, joseph addai is not as good as the edge back when he was with the Colts but thats the point. you get these thorough bread stud RBs and run them hard then let them go to graise somewhere else. Is joseph addai a better play this year and last year than the edge is in arizona? are we now starting to realize you guys are right when you say its a good thing fans dont run the skins? unfortunatley you get your way with CP and his contract. great player, thanks for the strong hard running 5 years but we are going to find a younger you.

runningbacks are like prostitutes; you pay em, pound em hard then get yourself out of there. problem is we married ours.

sorry for the offensive terminology . . .

go skins!!

(post in response to "all facets" post, not you sheriff gonna getcha, sorry and ill stop posting on this subject, i cant say anymore really)

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

^^^ thats b/c backs who take on all facets of the game get pounded on and dont stick around to long after the 3-4 years they are the featured back. terrell davis, jamal anderson, jamal lewis, marshall faulk, edgerrin james, even LT is showing some slowing down. hell shaun alexander was an MVP 2 years ago worth big bucks is now out of the league.

point is, premier backs (which CP is) do not last long after a good 3-4 years of pounding. i could keep adding names to my list of guys who came out blazing for a 3-4 period carrying their team (just like CP has the past 3-4 years here) but they all break down and fall off after that window of performance and team reliance in their game plan.

im sure the colts fans didnt agree with the dropping of the edge as he was still relatively young, fun to watch, and still had productive years ahead of him but the colts (a perennial power house with good management) knew better, took the fan disappointment and went to the SB!! no, joseph addai is not as good as the edge back when he was with the Colts but thats the point. you get these thorough bread stud RBs and run them hard then let them go to graise somewhere else. Is joseph addai a better play this year and last year than the edge is in arizona? are we now starting to realize you guys are right when you say its a good thing fans dont run the skins? unfortunatley you get your way with CP and his contract. great player, thanks for the strong hard running 5 years but we are going to find a younger you.

runningbacks are like prostitutes; you pay em, pound em hard then get yourself out of there. problem is we married ours.

sorry for the offensive terminology . . .

go skins!!

(post in response to "all facets" post, not you sheriff gonna getcha, sorry and ill stop posting on this subject, i cant say anymore really)

And a lot of us know how expensive divorce can be. However good Portis is, we need a lot more than an elite running back on this team. If we could trade him for a couple of good linemen I would do it in a heartbeat. I think it is the position itself that is overvalued. I don't see the Chargers or the Vikings tearing up the league, and who were the Patriots running backs when they were winning Super Bowls? The Colts won. Is Joesph Addai a great running back? Snyder gave Portis too much money for his value to the team. Period.

[thomasfan31]

Anyone who thinks Portis is average....You answer this? Does Portis get the job done ? Does he get the job done well?!!!!! Does he consistently lead the nfl in rushing when healthy? When you think of offensive leader and playmaker on this team, does he cross your mind? Geesh. Some people are so critical! He is not perfect but he sure is DAMN GOOD!

[maroonandblack30]

Originally Posted by thomasfan31

Anyone who thinks Portis is average....You answer this? Does Portis get the job done ? Does he get the job done well?!!!!! Does he consistently lead the nfl in rushing when healthy? When you think of offensive leader and playmaker on this team, does he cross your mind? Geesh. Some people are so critical! He is not perfect but he sure is DAMN GOOD!

Thats pretty much my point.... He is average, he isn't bad by any stretch, he just isn't a GREAT running back like every one always says. I definitely don't think he sucks. I don't think he has ever lead the league in rushing a Skin though.... not sure.

My main beef with Portis is that he doesn't break any game changing runs and isn't effective in short yardage. (things a great RB does)

My first post somewhat insinuated that I don't think he produces, which is wrong, he definitely produces. But I think Ladell Betts would probably have the same numbers if he got the touches.

Great running backs (ie LT (in his day) Brian Westbrook, AP, etc) always have at least one big play per game. CP not so much.

Let the hate continue.

[Schneed10]

This thread makes me lolz my AO.

Retarded!!!

[SkinzzFan]

Why weren't you saying this when the Skins were 6-2 and Portis was leading the league in rushing? Are you sure it's not just the 1-5 record over the last 6 games talking?