JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

[Defensewins]

If this move is true it would be a clear example of why Snyderatto needs to be removed from our FO.
This move would rob from Peter to pay Paul.
In today's pass happy NFL you need to have three good Cb's.
Plus Springs is nearing the end of his career. Smoot and our other CB's are not very good/reliable. Why in the world would you trade a young, talented CB? Good, young Cb's are hard to come by.
To get an offensive lineman? Other teams (see Ravens) seem to find good offensive in the later rounds.
We need to have a good overall team, with no weakness'. Getting rid of a good player to get another is stupid.

[Defensewins]

We are stuck again trying to improve our team through free agency and trades, because we traded poorly in the past. We never learn. Here we are again, people planning all of these trades. We need to be patient and build through the draft. We have been on the losing end on most trades lately.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

We are stuck again trying to improve our team through free agency and trades, because we traded poorly in the past. We never learn. Here we are again, people planning all of these trades. We need to be patient and build through the draft. We have been on the losing end on most trades lately.

most people are talking about trading for picks

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

most people are talking about trading for picks

Not talking much value here.
Give up on a young, talented CB in the prime of his career.....for a 3rd round pick? I would not do it.
We should not panic to get draft picks.
Our FO paniced and made the mistake of trading for Jason Taylor. When it turned out we would have been just fine with out him.
Now they want to panic again and make another stupid trade.
What are those guys smoking.

For those suddenly selective money conscious folks: How about cutting Jason Taylor and his $8m a year salary and sign Carlos Rogers and Dante Hall. We would be set at CB for 4 to 5 years.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Not talking much value here.
Give up on a young, talented CB in the prime of his career.....for a 3rd round pick? I would not do it.
We should not panic to get draft picks.
Our FO paniced and made the mistake of trading for Jason Taylor. When it turned out we would have been just fine with out him.
Now they want to panic again and make another stupid trade.
What are those guys smoking.

For those suddenly selective money conscious folks: How about cutting Jason Taylor and his $8m a year salary and sign Carlos Rogers and Dante Hall. We would be set at CB for 4 to 5 years.

I agree 100% with you on this.

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I agree 100% with you on this.

right, let him play out the contract, and don't you get compensatory picks when your FAs are signed anyway? If he gets a big contract, won't we get something?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Not talking much value here.
Give up on a young, talented CB in the prime of his career.....for a 3rd round pick? I would not do it.

Oh I definitely agree not to

[Paintrain]

Don't ignore the 'Champ Bailey' factor here also. Rogers is looking for a very lucrative contract when his expires next year. He feels like he is a top CB, "There are a lot of teams that would give their right arm for me." Someone is going to pay him #1 elite CB money next offseason when we all know he's not that good. We're not going to pay him that kind of money so why not get some value (2nd or 3rd round pick) this offseason? With a large number of FA corners this offseason it's going to be a buyers market, we can replace what Rogers brings (decent #2 CB) at a much cheaper rate over the next 5 years and get an additional pick as well.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Don't ignore the 'Champ Bailey' factor here also. Rogers is looking for a very lucrative contract when his expires next year. He feels like he is a top CB, "There are a lot of teams that would give their right arm for me." Someone is going to pay him #1 elite CB money next offseason when we all know he's not that good. We're not going to pay him that kind of money so why not get some value (2nd or 3rd round pick) this offseason? With a large number of FA corners this offseason it's going to be a buyers market, we can replace what Rogers brings (decent #2 CB) at a much cheaper rate over the next 5 years and get an additional pick as well.

That how I see it. I would trade Rogers too if I'm Cerrato. Some desperate teams are going to go after Rogers and give us at least a 3rd maybe a 2nd depending on the team. Rogers is a yong corner who has talent but just cannot hold on to the ball to save his life. Like I've said before that once the Redskins signed Hall, it was only to give him a long term deal and to replace Rogers. Mark my words the SF game was the last time you'll see all 4 corners on the field.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Don't ignore the 'Champ Bailey' factor here also. Rogers is looking for a very lucrative contract when his expires next year. He feels like he is a top CB, "There are a lot of teams that would give their right arm for me." Someone is going to pay him #1 elite CB money next offseason when we all know he's not that good. We're not going to pay him that kind of money so why not get some value (2nd or 3rd round pick) this offseason? With a large number of FA corners this offseason it's going to be a buyers market, we can replace what Rogers brings (decent #2 CB) at a much cheaper rate over the next 5 years and get an additional pick as well.

Rogers is definitely not worth top dollar. So yes you can't blame the Redskins for throwing a line out there to see what other teams may be willing to give up. I say if someone bites with a 3rd rounder go for it.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Rogers is definitely not worth top dollar. So yes you can't blame the Redskins for throwing a line out there to see what other teams may be willing to give up. I say if someone bites with a 3rd rounder go for it.

Rogers is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
How many great players have we drafted in the 3rd round?
Are you serious?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Rogers is worth more than a 3rd rounder.
How many great players have we drafted in the 3rd round?
Are you serious?

That's how trading works in the NFL, you rarely get what a player is worth.

Do you think there's a team out there willing to part with a 1st or 2nd rounder for Rogers?? Good luck with that.

We'd be lucky to snag a 3rd.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Don't ignore the 'Champ Bailey' factor here also. Rogers is looking for a very lucrative contract when his expires next year. He feels like he is a top CB, "There are a lot of teams that would give their right arm for me." Someone is going to pay him #1 elite CB money next offseason when we all know he's not that good. We're not going to pay him that kind of money so why not get some value (2nd or 3rd round pick) this offseason? With a large number of FA corners this offseason it's going to be a buyers market, we can replace what Rogers brings (decent #2 CB) at a much cheaper rate over the next 5 years and get an additional pick as well.

I'm not sure why this is similar to Champ's situation. We offered him a big extension, and he simply didn't want to play for the Redskins anymore. Can't really blame him since we had just finished up with the joke Spurrier era. We did the next best thing and traded him for Portis, which has worked out pretty well I'd say. If we offered Carlos Rogers anywhere close to the money we offered Champ, he'd be a moron not to take it.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm not sure why this is similar to Champ's situation. We offered him a big extension, and he simply didn't want to play for the Redskins anymore. Can't really blame him since we had just finished up with the joke Spurrier era. We did the next best thing and traded him for Portis, which has worked out pretty well I'd say. If we offered Carlos Rogers anywhere close to the money we offered Champ, he'd be a moron not to take it.

The parallel is the inability to agree to contract terms. Rogers thinks he is an elite corner and is going to demand elite money, especially if Hall gets a nice extension. Rogers isn't an elite CB so we risk losing him and getting nothing in return next year, therefore it's better to trade him now and get something rather than lose him next year with no compensation.

[BrunellMVP?]

bryan (cumberland, Md.): Jason Taylor, Brett Farve do you see either returning next year ?

Matt Mosley: (12:15 PM ET ) Taylor's not going back to Washington. I'm pretty certain about that. I bet he'll retire. Favre will drag this out and make a big production -- like he always does.