Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

[SOUL-SKINS]

I'm so sick of this JC shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Daseal]

There's one reason to me that yells Jason has a somewhat short leash. He's not Zorns guy. You see it all the time when new coaches come in, they replace current players with 'their guys.' Wouldn't be surprised to see it happen here in DC eventually. I think Jason will get another year or two to show adequate progression, but if he doesn't Zorn isn't connected at the hip like he would be if he drafted Campbell.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

There's one reason to me that yells Jason has a somewhat short leash. He's not Zorns guy. You see it all the time when new coaches come in, they replace current players with 'their guys.' Wouldn't be surprised to see it happen here in DC eventually. I think Jason will get another year or two to show adequate progression, but if he doesn't Zorn isn't connected at the hip like he would be if he drafted Campbell.

Understood, but Zorn likely doesn't get the benefit of the doubt to stay post-Campbell. I can't imagine Zorn gets more than three years to build a winner.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Daseal

There's one reason to me that yells Jason has a somewhat short leash. He's not Zorns guy. You see it all the time when new coaches come in, they replace current players with 'their guys.' Wouldn't be surprised to see it happen here in DC eventually. I think Jason will get another year or two to show adequate progression, but if he doesn't Zorn isn't connected at the hip like he would be if he drafted Campbell.

I think this is a fair statement, and you are being reasonable to say that Zorn would give JC a year or two to find out whether he'd fit the system or not. If he doesn't progress, he's gone; if he does, he stays. I do wonder if JZ would be able to survive another year or two with a poor playing performance of Campbell.

[Skins4L]

well have to wait and see once again what he does this year.. i dont see anyone replacing him in camp. thats not our call, i just dont see it.

[ridgely]

What exactly is wrong with competiotion in camp. I see other guys arounfd the NFL come in and compete. JC should have to earn it. I would give Brennan at least the opportunity to compete for the job. Over all the QB situation in DC is lacking. It wouldn't be rehashed over and over and over if we had a competant QB.

[SkinzzFan]

Originally Posted by ridgely

What exactly is wrong with competiotion in camp. I see other guys arounfd the NFL come in and compete. JC should have to earn it. I would give Brennan at least the opportunity to compete for the job. Over all the QB situation in DC is lacking. It wouldn't be rehashed over and over and over if we had a competant QB.

Why do you think Jason Campbell is incompetent? He was in a new offense and his numbers actually improved. He cut his turnovers down and in a new offense that's pretty impressive. If we want to blame anyone here, we should blame the receivers. They dropped so many passes this year it made me sick. I have no problem with competition either, but lets stop with this Colt Brennan love fest. He was third string behind a career backup. Yes Collins played great for us down the stretch last season but there's a reason he's been a backup for the majority of his career. Colt couldn't even beat him out for the backup job. I think JC is at a critical point in his development. He needs to concentrate solely on the playbook and improving his timing with our receivers. The last thing he needs at this point is to look over his shoulder.

HAIL!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

Why do you think Jason Campbell is incompetent? He was in a new offense and his numbers actually improved. He cut his turnovers down and in a new offense that's pretty impressive. If we want to blame anyone here, we should blame the receivers. They dropped so many passes this year it made me sick. I have no problem with competition either, but lets stop with this Colt Brennan love fest. He was third string behind a career backup. Yes Collins played great for us down the stretch last season but there's a reason he's been a backup for the majority of his career. Colt couldn't even beat him out for the backup job. I think JC is at a critical point in his development. He needs to concentrate solely on the playbook and improving his timing with our receivers. The last thing he needs at this point is to look over his shoulder.

HAIL!

I not impressed by the fact that he threw so few int's because he didnot throw very many TD's to go along with that. Look for the people who think he is a very good QB I'm not sure what you see at this point. For the people who think he should go or get benched I feel we need to give him one more year in this system. I think with either of these views JC's career here boils down to next year.

[SkinzzFan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I not impressed by the fact that he threw so few int's because he didnot throw very many TD's to go along with that. Look for the people who think he is a very good QB I'm not sure what you see at this point. For the people who think he should go or get benched I feel we need to give him one more year in this system. I think with either of these views JC's career here boils down to next year.

The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

HAIL!!

[irish]

Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

HAIL!!

CP's drop came from the fact that in the 2nd half of the season the Skins were often behind and had to go away from the run and more to the pass. It didnt affect JC's ability to pass it affected his chance to succeed because he had a larger burden placed on him and he didnt deliver well enough.

I think the O line is very important but not totally critical for success as the Steelers didnt have a great O line but what they did have was a QB that could make and extend plays which lead to wins. The Skins didnt have that in their QB.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SkinzzFan

The low TD total goes back to the dropped passes. So many promising drives stalled out due to the WRs dropping passes on crucial downs. It's hard for the QB to get in a rhythm, much less put up numbers when he can't rely on his receivers and is getting poor protection.

I'm beginning to think some folks just aren't going to be happy no matter who is playing QB for us. Why is no one complaining about Portis' drop in production? Didn't that affect Campbell's ability to pass, or are we blaming Campbell for Portis drop off too? By no means am I complaining about him, it was a team effort to start 6-2 just like it was a team effort (or lack thereof) to go 2-6. The o-line's play directly correlates to the teams record in each half of the season. That's how it went down from where I was sitting.

HAIL!!

Not sure where one could find the stat but I don't recall that many dropped passes this year. I do recall a few but not anything more then other teams.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by ridgely

What exactly is wrong with competiotion in camp. I see other guys arounfd the NFL come in and compete. JC should have to earn it. I would give Brennan at least the opportunity to compete for the job. Over all the QB situation in DC is lacking. It wouldn't be rehashed over and over and over if we had a competant QB.

Spell check man, spell check. Also, please don't completely ignore the terrible offensive line and how that can affect QB play. As I've said before, we could put a healthy Tom Brady behind our line, and he would still have the same production JC had last season.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Spell check man, spell check. Also, please don't completely ignore the terrible offensive line and how that can affect QB play. As I've said before, we could put a healthy Tom Brady behind our line, and he would still have the same production JC had last season.

JC will never be Tom Brady!

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

JC will never be Tom Brady!

either will u but we dont feel the need to point that out now do we?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Meks

either will u but we dont feel the need to point that out now do we?

Well, you kinda just did there Meks