King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[freddyg12]

I said earlier that DS has lots of cash & has been known to drop it on expensive free agents in the past (not too long ago either). From that point of view, you have to think that if HE really wants AH, he'll find a way.

Now on the other hand, DS was losing some $ on other biz ventures before the economy really tanked, the Skins are over the cap & have some old guys they've got to make decisions on, they want to re-sign Hall, and AH is probably not the guy DS would go out of his way to sign considering what it will take. Maybe if it were a wr or other high profile position he might be more tempted.

When you really look at all the factors involved, it seems to me that it would take some serious maneuvering by the team & a lot of cash. The only reason it's even conceivable is because it's snyder & the Skins. Other than that, I don't see a realistic scenario that would have us signing Haynesworth. I'm sure the cap guys could write out some scenarios, but even then, is it likely? My guess is no.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Let's just understand that if there is an uncapped year in 2010 there will be a lot more differences than simply no cap. This should help

Q and A about the NFL's upcoming uncapped*season - Cincy Jungle

Ugh, football is going to turn into freaking baseball. Granted that we would be one of those teams with lots of money, so we will be able to get all the top players, but there will be no parity in the league. I can see small market teams like Buffalo, to turn into the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of football.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by MiraclesHappen07

lordy, i dont want this guy. period. sure he is a monster on the line, but lets not forget he only been like that for what the last two years? plus lets not forget that time when he steped on gurode with his cleat. I think he brings to much baggage, sooo no thank you move on.

Wait a min. your going to fault a guy for stepping on a Cowboy? Apparently he fits right in with us. He hates the Cowboys as much as we do. LOL.

I find it more funny that after a player does some stupid act and pays his price people will talk about it like it happened yesterday and call it baggage. He does not have the same baggage as T.O. . T.O. acted like a 2yo all the way up to his trade and after. Then slammed his media gal for trying to spin the obvious. Then cried on tv. lol.

You put any individual over 300 pounds on the field and I challenge him to play 100 % all the time. The point is they can't. They have to push not only opponents around but their own weight also. Heck the Frigerator had to come out once and a while. They need a rest once and a while and our system/scheme is designed to allow players to trade in and out to have fresh legs.

Two things I worry about. Backloading contracts. After 2010 can Snyder pay up on all the backloaded contracts and be settled?

and his age. but he does buy us time to either look in the future for a replacement or get one now and have him help train him. I also don't want to give up too much to get him. In this situation he is a UFA so we won't have to give up a draft pick, but we will have to find a way to get him under this yrs CAP only. Pay off his bonuses next year and make him happy. Would he be willing to work with Snyder knowing we are tight on the budget this year and be willing to take a big contract next yr?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

You put any individual over 300 pounds on the field and I challenge him to play 100 % all the time. The point is they can't. They have to push not only opponents around but their own weight also. Heck the Frigerator had to come out once and a while. They need a rest once and a while and our system/scheme is designed to allow players to trade in and out to have fresh legs.

There are 300lb+ offensive lineman all over the place who play all 16 games.

Here's a guy who has had issues with effort/taking plays off his entire career, then suddenly in a contract year when he knows he can cement a fortune for himself, he decides to light it up. No coincedence IMO. Not that there's anything wrong with busting your ass for a payday, I just think he'll get lazy all over again once he signs his huge contract.

[horny4zorny-nohomo]

i hope they did sit and talk and negotiate!!!

[That Guy]

he's got real character issues too. I'm just not sure signing him for $100billion is a great idea. he'll make the team a lot better, but you're stuck with him if/when his play runs south, and i don't think he's the missing piece to a DC area superbowl victory.

I mean, with the WR/offensive line issues, and the overall age/injury problems, i'm not sure our window is right here, right now.

also, we already had the 4th best D in yards, 6th in scoring, so how much better can those guys really get? we're old and injury prone on D, but there's young depth there... our problems are on offense, and i really didn't see any signs of life out of devin fred or malcolm that makes me think we're going to have 3 1,000 yard receivers this season either.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he's got real character issues too. I'm just not sure signing him for $100billion is a great idea. he'll make the team a lot better, but you're stuck with him if/when his play runs south, and i don't think he's the missing piece to a DC area superbowl victory.

I mean, with the WR/offensive line issues, and the overall age/injury problems, i'm not sure our window is right here, right now.

also, we already had the 4th best D in yards, 6th in scoring, so how much better can those guys really get? we're old and injury prone on D, but there's young depth there... our problems are on offense, and i really didn't see any signs of life out of devin fred or malcolm that makes me think we're going to have 3 1,000 yard receivers this season either.

Where is this supposed young depth? I agree that most of our problems lie on the offensive side of the ball but I'm not ready to write off Devin, Fred or Malcolm yet.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

OK, why are you still operating under the assumption there will be a salary cap? Certainly nobody can say for sure, but all signs point to there not being one. This will provide further background information.

http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap...tml#post526728

Further, Upshaw was completely serious and truthful when saying that the players would never go back to a salary cap if it expires. The NFL Owners can easily put together a revenue sharing package contingent upon setting a salary floor for the 32 teams. If you don't pay your players at least X, you don't get revenue sharing dollars.

The salary cap limit has gotten so high in recent years that most NFL teams maintain payrolls well below the cap in the interests of turning a profit, and for some, just trying to break even. Not many franchises are currently constrained by the cap. Doing away with it would result in a few teams dropping below the salary floor, but it would also result in the Cowboys and Redskins shooting well above the cap ceiling. There would be no financial incentive for the players to ever agree to going back to a cap, especially if the owners put a salary floor in place with respect to revenue sharing.

Is it worth taking the risk, what if the salary does reemerge? Wouldn't we be screwed then if we throw big bucks?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ugh, football is going to turn into freaking baseball. Granted that we would be one of those teams with lots of money, so we will be able to get all the top players, but there will be no parity in the league. I can see small market teams like Buffalo, to turn into the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of football.

You mean a small market team who puts together a talented young core good enough to beat out the high revenue Yankees and Red Sox on their way to a World Series appearance?

The notion that baseball doesn't have parity holds no water anymore. Recent World Series participants:

- Tampa Bay 2008
- Colorado 2007
- Detroit 2006
- Florida 2003

Do the A's and Twins not manage to make the playoffs on a semi-regular basis? Do the Florida Marlins not manage to hang with the Phillies and Mets each year?

The only low revenue team you can point to is the KC Royals. They're not bad because they don't spend money, they're bad because their organization sucks balls. They can't scout, they can't coach, and they can't draft.

If football ended up looking like baseball has (minus the roids!) in the last 10 years, the league would be doing real well for itself. Baseball is showing that salary caps (or the lack thereof) don't mean the end of your league as you know it.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Where is this supposed young depth? I agree that most of our problems lie on the offensive side of the ball but I'm not ready to write off Devin, Fred or Malcolm yet.

oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by That Guy

oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...

Golston, Montgomery, Landry, Horton, Rogers were all starters. Doughty wasn't offered a contract as an RFA so he's gone. That leaves Alexander, Blades and Moore. That's about as deep as a puddle in the desert.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by That Guy

oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...

Golston, Montgomery, Alexander, and Doughty are FAs, if i'm not mistaken. Horton, Landry, and Rogers are starters so they cant be considered "young depth."

From that list, only Moore and Blades are depth players under contract for 2009. We have a horrible lack of talented young depth on our team. Its been far below the league-average for years and could be even worse in 2009, depending on who stays and who goes.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Is it worth taking the risk, what if the salary does reemerge? Wouldn't we be screwed then if we throw big bucks?

Yes, which is why we have to be careful about acting unilaterally this offseason in terms of spending.

Understand that the speculation about the salary cap has little to do with fear of the large market teams buying up all the talent and a lot to do with the small market teams not wanting to be forced to throw their revenue back at the players when the bottom line is so tight. Having a salary cap and revenue sharing necessitates the salary floor, which means no one can be the Marlins and try to play a season on a $20 million payroll.

Which is likely what Buffalo and Cincinnati will try to do in the future.

A football team can still be very competitive on a minuscule payroll, but they have to be able to draft well, or they have no other way of sustaining winning ball.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Yes, which is why we have to be careful about acting unilaterally this offseason in terms of spending.

Understand that the speculation about the salary cap has little to do with fear of the large market teams buying up all the talent and a lot to do with the small market teams not wanting to be forced to throw their revenue back at the players when the bottom line is so tight. Having a salary cap and revenue sharing necessitates the salary floor, which means no one can be the Marlins and try to play a season on a $20 million payroll.

Which is likely what Buffalo and Cincinnati will try to do in the future.

A football team can still be very competitive on a minuscule payroll, but they have to be able to draft well, or they have no other way of sustaining winning ball.

If the Rays and Marlins can do it, so can the Bills and Bengals. Payroll is not an excuse.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You mean a small market team who puts together a talented young core good enough to beat out the high revenue Yankees and Red Sox on their way to a World Series appearance?

The notion that baseball doesn't have parity holds no water anymore. Recent World Series participants:

- Tampa Bay 2008
- Colorado 2007
- Detroit 2006
- Florida 2003

Do the A's and Twins not manage to make the playoffs on a semi-regular basis? Do the Florida Marlins not manage to hang with the Phillies and Mets each year?

The only low revenue team you can point to is the KC Royals. They're not bad because they don't spend money, they're bad because their organization sucks balls. They can't scout, they can't coach, and they can't draft.

If football ended up looking like baseball has (minus the roids!) in the last 10 years, the league would be doing real well for itself. Baseball is showing that salary caps (or the lack thereof) don't mean the end of your league as you know it.

Sorry man, I don't know much about baseball and I guess my ignorance is shown by that comment. But being in the DC area with teams like the Orioles, who don't have a fighting chance in hell against the Sox and Yanks gives me this type of mentality.