King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by MiraclesHappen07

lordy, i dont want this guy. period. sure he is a monster on the line, but lets not forget he only been like that for what the last two years? plus lets not forget that time when he steped on gurode with his cleat. I think he brings to much baggage, sooo no thank you move on.

Funny...that's one of the reasons why I really want him. He showed his distaste for cowboys which is the way into my heart.

For the rest of it though he is just not worth the huge investment. I do want to shore up both lines though so it's hard to pass up capable lineman just because of the cost.

On a side note, it's pretty bad that I trust other NFL team's GMs and personnel guys when they give their negative assesment of Haynesworth but if the Skins camp mentions Haynesworth in a positive light I feel like they haven't done their due diligence.

[53Fan]

Great link SS!

[freddyg12]

I said earlier that DS has lots of cash & has been known to drop it on expensive free agents in the past (not too long ago either). From that point of view, you have to think that if HE really wants AH, he'll find a way.

Now on the other hand, DS was losing some $ on other biz ventures before the economy really tanked, the Skins are over the cap & have some old guys they've got to make decisions on, they want to re-sign Hall, and AH is probably not the guy DS would go out of his way to sign considering what it will take. Maybe if it were a wr or other high profile position he might be more tempted.

When you really look at all the factors involved, it seems to me that it would take some serious maneuvering by the team & a lot of cash. The only reason it's even conceivable is because it's snyder & the Skins. Other than that, I don't see a realistic scenario that would have us signing Haynesworth. I'm sure the cap guys could write out some scenarios, but even then, is it likely? My guess is no.

[horny4zorny-nohomo]

i hope they did sit and talk and negotiate!!!

[That Guy]

he's got real character issues too. I'm just not sure signing him for $100billion is a great idea. he'll make the team a lot better, but you're stuck with him if/when his play runs south, and i don't think he's the missing piece to a DC area superbowl victory.

I mean, with the WR/offensive line issues, and the overall age/injury problems, i'm not sure our window is right here, right now.

also, we already had the 4th best D in yards, 6th in scoring, so how much better can those guys really get? we're old and injury prone on D, but there's young depth there... our problems are on offense, and i really didn't see any signs of life out of devin fred or malcolm that makes me think we're going to have 3 1,000 yard receivers this season either.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by That Guy

he's got real character issues too. I'm just not sure signing him for $100billion is a great idea. he'll make the team a lot better, but you're stuck with him if/when his play runs south, and i don't think he's the missing piece to a DC area superbowl victory.

I mean, with the WR/offensive line issues, and the overall age/injury problems, i'm not sure our window is right here, right now.

also, we already had the 4th best D in yards, 6th in scoring, so how much better can those guys really get? we're old and injury prone on D, but there's young depth there... our problems are on offense, and i really didn't see any signs of life out of devin fred or malcolm that makes me think we're going to have 3 1,000 yard receivers this season either.

Where is this supposed young depth? I agree that most of our problems lie on the offensive side of the ball but I'm not ready to write off Devin, Fred or Malcolm yet.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Where is this supposed young depth? I agree that most of our problems lie on the offensive side of the ball but I'm not ready to write off Devin, Fred or Malcolm yet.

oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by That Guy

oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...

Golston, Montgomery, Landry, Horton, Rogers were all starters. Doughty wasn't offered a contract as an RFA so he's gone. That leaves Alexander, Blades and Moore. That's about as deep as a puddle in the desert.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by That Guy

oh, i don't know... golston, montgomery, landry, horton, alexander, blades, doughty, moore, rogers...

Golston, Montgomery, Alexander, and Doughty are FAs, if i'm not mistaken. Horton, Landry, and Rogers are starters so they cant be considered "young depth."

From that list, only Moore and Blades are depth players under contract for 2009. We have a horrible lack of talented young depth on our team. Its been far below the league-average for years and could be even worse in 2009, depending on who stays and who goes.

[Ruhskins]

So I got curious, and looked at the World Series vs. the Superbowl in the past 20 years. I checked to see how many top-15 payroll teams in MLB have appeared in the WS vs. how many top-15 most valuable franchises in NFL appeared in the SB, for anyone interested here's what I found.

World Series from 1988 through 2008
40 teams appeared in the WS of which 30 were from the top-15 payroll

Superbowl from 1988 through 2008
42 teams played in the SB, of which 22 were from the top-15 most valuable franchises
(If you take out either the 1988 SB or 2008, to have the same number of teams in both comparisons, since there was no WS in 1994, it would be 40 teams played in SB and 20 of them were from the top-15 most valuable franchises)

So think they are pretty comparable between the two sports. I'd be curious to see what those numbers are for playoff appearances, but that's just too much work. LOL.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So I got curious, and looked at the World Series vs. the Superbowl in the past 20 years. I checked to see how many top-15 payroll teams in MLB have appeared in the WS vs. how many top-15 most valuable franchises in NFL appeared in the SB, for anyone interested here's what I found.

World Series from 1988 through 2008
40 teams appeared in the WS of which 30 were from the top-15 payroll

Superbowl from 1988 through 2008
42 teams played in the SB, of which 22 were from the top-15 most valuable franchises
(If you take out either the 1988 SB or 2008, to have the same number of teams in both comparisons, since there was no WS in 1994, it would be 40 teams played in SB and 20 of them were from the top-15 most valuable franchises)

So think they are pretty comparable between the two sports. I'd be curious to see what those numbers are for playoff appearances, but that's just too much work. LOL.

As we (and the Cowboys, Yankees and NBA Knicks) have proved, there is no correlation between spending and winning. Winning is done by making smart personnel decisions, having a clear and consistent organizational plan and executing the plan.

[skinsfan69]

I hope Haynesworth doesn't come here. He's better than anyone we currently have but he's not going to pass block is he? I just don't see a huge need at DT.

[vallin21]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I hope Haynesworth doesn't come here. He's better than anyone we currently have but he's not going to pass block is he? I just don't see a huge need at DT.

Really? That is the biggest need on defense next to OLB. I'm not saying we should break the bank for Haynesworth but if we get him I don't hink he will be the second coming of Stubblefield.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Really? That is the biggest need on defense next to OLB. I'm not saying we should break the bank for Haynesworth but if we get him I don't hink he will be the second coming of Stubblefield.

We can get by with the current group ( Griff, Monty and Goldston) we currently have. Plus Evans can play DT. They're not going to cave in the pocket but they're all serviceable and for the most part they get the job done. Why would the FO pay out a ton of money to one guy when there are so many other needs to fill? We need a guard or two, a RT, DE and LB depth.

[SmootSmack]

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