Redskins Reportedly Bringing OLs Elton Brown and Ray Willis in for Visit

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Is that you, JLC?

That's not nice.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'm gonna have to side with GTripp on the Rabach argument. I think the guy is on the downslide. Tripp breaks down more film than anyone not named Ron Jaworski, and has provided numerous examples (backed by stats mind you) on Rabach's shortcomings. Go back and read some of his offensive game charts from the regular season. Just because Rabach is durable doesn't mean he's one of our best lineman. He gets beat up at the point of attack all the time, especially by NTs in 3-4 defenses.

Was Rabach a liability in the 6-2 half of the season when we were one of the best rushing teams in the league? Or did he become a liability in the 2-6 half of the season where our All pro was hurt and ultimately shelved, his right guard was playing with a broken neck and the backup right tackle wore down.

If Samuels comes back healthy, Thomas fully recovers and they bring in a legitimate right tackle that Rabach will be just fine. I find it hard to dismiss Rabach when the healthy first unit was kicking butt and arguably one of the top units in the league.

[That Guy]

i think willis may be getting pumped up a bit too much. i'm not sure he's really a HUGE upgrade over heyer, he's just the best of a (weak) OT market that may have some upside... still, he wouldn't be expensive, but if I wanted to draft an OT and we signed him, I wouldn't hesitate to draft an OT anyways.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Was Rabach a liability in the 6-2 half of the season when we were one of the best rushing teams in the league? Or did he become a liability in the 2-6 half of the season where our All pro was hurt and ultimately shelved, his right guard was playing with a broken neck and the backup right tackle wore down.

If Samuels comes back healthy, Thomas fully recovers and they bring in a legitimate right tackle that Rabach will be just fine. I find it hard to dismiss Rabach when the healthy first unit was kicking butt and arguably one of the top units in the league.

Well, they did some things with the blocking schemes to cover for him in the first half of the year that they couldn't do in the second half of the year. So you could say that he was more successful in the first eight games than the second.

Getting Samuels and Thomas back should absolutely make the line better, but I'm not sure how that makes Rabach's inability to pass block or move a nose tackle even one inch less of a liability.

[WaldSkins]

Did Willis leave today with a contract offer?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

That's not nice.

My apologies. You cited Bugel as an argument (who neither he or you ever speaks to), and I got confused

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Was Rabach a liability in the 6-2 half of the season when we were one of the best rushing teams in the league? Or did he become a liability in the 2-6 half of the season where our All pro was hurt and ultimately shelved, his right guard was playing with a broken neck and the backup right tackle wore down.

If Samuels comes back healthy, Thomas fully recovers and they bring in a legitimate right tackle that Rabach will be just fine. I find it hard to dismiss Rabach when the healthy first unit was kicking butt and arguably one of the top units in the league.

even at 6-2 we really weren't a top OL... the running yards were okay, but 16 sacks in 8 games... (then we gave up 7 in week 9 to pit). the giants gave up 6 sacks in the first 8 weeks (including 0 to pit). not close.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How can you get ticked off at
a) something that hasn't even happened yet
b) is not something that happened last time TO was a free agent
c) unlikely due to cap availabilty (notice i did not say impossible, just unlikely)

d) vinny already said no to bringing in T.O.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, they did some things with the blocking schemes to cover for him in the first half of the year that they couldn't do in the second half of the year. So you could say that he was more successful in the first eight games than the second.

Getting Samuels and Thomas back should absolutely make the line better, but I'm not sure how that makes Rabach's inability to pass block or move a nose tackle even one inch less of a liability.

I certainly haven't put in the tape time that you have but you summarized my assumption. That with Samuels healthy, Kendall could help Rabach more and that Thomas could help Rabach more when he was healthy and Jansen was playing better.

I would expect any offensive line playing two backup tackles and two older banged up guards to look pretty bad on tape.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

d) vinny already said no to bringing in T.O.

I don't think they are bringing in TO, but "Vinny said so" doesn't rank very high on my list of convincing arguments.

[franklinhimself]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

How can you get ticked off at
a) something that hasn't even happened yet
b) is not something that happened last time TO was a free agent
c) unlikely due to cap availabilty (notice i did not say impossible, just unlikely)

Lol its not that im an idiot, i just have the habit of expecting the worst from the FO which isn't totally out of left field. thats all

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I don't think they are bringing in TO, but "Vinny said so" doesn't rank very high on my list of convincing arguments.

vinny was in kindergarten ninjas! don't disrespect... or do, your call.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I certainly haven't put in the tape time that you have but you summarized my assumption. That with Samuels healthy, Kendall could help Rabach more and that Thomas could help Rabach more when he was healthy and Jansen was playing better.

I would expect any offensive line playing two backup tackles and two older banged up guards to look pretty bad on tape.

That's essentially what happened. Kendall did the dirty work while Rabach released to the second level where he was physical enough to handle LBs.

Of course, not every team's front seven was bad enough for that to work, so Rabach got killed in the second half of the year. Totally exposed.

Your guess is as good as mine whether getting Dockery back will help. Kendall was Rabach's best buddy last year. But Dockery and Rabach have worked well in the past.

Still, I maintain it shouldn't be hard at all to find a Center stronger than Casey Rabach. At this point though, it has to be through the draft. The FA market is pretty dry (Eric Heitmann and Jeremy Newberry would still be upgrades IMO). On top of that, I'd prefer to not have to replace a stopgap Center with a slightly better stop gap Center. I'd rather just grab a center in the first three rounds, be able to release Rabach, and hopefully, have Kendall back for another year to be the backup LG and C.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by vallin21

First off the was to adressed to your follish view on Thomas being the reason Rabach's play has declined. Second, you can say Willis is garbage but he has proven he is capable of starting in the league. Heyer is for the most part untested and unproven. We can dissagree on Willis (because if he doesn't sign we're probably drafting a OT (if available) at 13) The team has said they are looking at somene to replace JANSEN AT RT NOT THOMAS. This tell's me you've been reading JLC's inaccurate blog at the Post.

I never said Thomas was the reason for Rabachs decline - hence, thats why i questioned your use of in the first place. I dont know where you come up with this stuff, but if you want to make a point, just make your point. accusing me of saying something i didnt say, and then disagreeing with it is irritating to me, and it makes it hard for me to actually pay attention to what your saying. if you have a good argument, just make it. dont make up stuff and claim i said it, please.

I have been reading JLCs blog, but his blog is not the only source to say we were looking to upgrade those spots. The team has said they are looking to upgrade both guard positions and RT. Last i checked, Thomas was playing one of the guard positions. We've made a great first step in bringing dock back. RT remains the biggest priority to upgrade, followed by RG. Replacing Rabach is a luxury at this point. So far, his play has been well-above average.

I respect GTripp alot and am sure he knows more about football than I do. and i wasnt an active member on these forums durning the season so i didnt read any of his post-game critiques of players, but I was impressed by Rabachs performance in 2008. Two noteable media outlets were impressed enough by his performance to name him to their all-pro team at mid-season and Bugel seemed to give Rabach more praise than any of the other interior linemen on the roster last year. We wont know for sure how these guys are doing until camp, but thus far, center is pretty far down on the list of areas that need upgrading.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by franklinhimself

Lol its not that im an idiot, i just have the habit of expecting the worst from the FO which isn't totally out of left field. thats all

sorry, but i don't see why you "expect the worst", I think many will tell you I am pretty strong believer in our FO. Especially during and Post-Gibbs eras. I think we have one of the top FO's, and get tired of people putting them down when there is no justification. And this off-season has certainly been one of those times.