Willis picks Seahawks over SKINS

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

GT do i hear you saying the trade back scenario where we get detroit's 1st and 2nd round picks is totally improbable? What if we sweetened the deal packaging our 1st and last or 1st and 5th round pick?

Why in the world would Detroit want our 13th pick? I could see them taking Curry at One and then jumping to try to get one of the big four at 13...but if, say, Andre Smith is there, aren't we just going to take him?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why in the world would Detroit want our 13th pick? I could see them taking Curry at One and then jumping to try to get one of the big four at 13...but if, say, Andre Smith is there, aren't we just going to take him?

Yeah I see you're point. It's damned if ya do and damned if ya don't.

Questions for you then... why have we been so hesitant to shore up positions of need? Daniels/Wynn for LDE? Crowell on another short term deal for LB? I mean, if the FO knows we're unlikely to have any more gems fall into our lap why aren't we being proactive now before we continue to see opportunities taken away (like Willis even though I realize he was far from a lock to start at RT)... you get my drift.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Yeah I see you're point. It's damned if ya do and damned if ya don't.

Questions for you then... why have we been so hesitant to shore up positions of need? Daniels/Wynn for LDE? Crowell on another short term deal for LB? I mean, if the FO knows we're unlikely to have any more gems fall into our lap why aren't we being proactive now before we continue to see opportunities taken away (like Willis even though I realize he was far from a lock to start at RT)... you get my drift.

They didn't want to overpay for Willis, and I can't blame them for that, but now it's clear we needed him more than he needed us.

We have no reason to rush and spend for anyone else, I guess, because the talent is simply not there. LE is easy. That's the easiest position on the field in the Blache scheme, plus we have two system familiar guys on the FA market with no competition for either. On top of all of that, the market is flooded with guys who would do the same thing for less than a million dollars in this defense. So we could wait until (not Cato) June if we wanted to to get our starting LE.

The way I see it, there are no oppertunities to get taken away. I personally would bring Crowell in for a visit asap, but I'm not fooling anyone when I point out that we simply aren't interested in him.

We're adding a linebacker and an offensive lineman with our first two picks, whenever they may be. That's really obvious at this point. It's also obvious that Vinny is going to try his darnest to trade back, but that's going to be done before draft day, if at all, I think.

And, unfortunately, I don't see us being very deep at all on either side of the ball next year. I don't like our roster very much the way it stands right now, although we're probably a lock for 8 wins as long as Campbell and Haynesworth are a lock for 16 games.

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They didn't want to overpay for Willis, and I can't blame them for that, but now it's clear we needed him more than he needed us.

We have no reason to rush and spend for anyone else, I guess, because the talent is simply not there. LE is easy. That's the easiest position on the field in the Blache scheme, plus we have two system familiar guys on the FA market with no competition for either. On top of all of that, the market is flooded with guys who would do the same thing for less than a million dollars in this defense. So we could wait until (not Cato) June if we wanted to to get our starting LE.

The way I see it, there are no oppertunities to get taken away. I personally would bring Crowell in for a visit asap, but I'm not fooling anyone when I point out that we simply aren't interested in him.

We're adding a linebacker and an offensive lineman with our first two picks, whenever they may be. That's really obvious at this point. It's also obvious that Vinny is going to try his darnest to trade back, but that's going to be done before draft day, if at all, I think.

And, unfortunately, I don't see us being very deep at all on either side of the ball next year. I don't like our roster very much the way it stands right now, although we're probably a lock for 8 wins as long as Campbell and Haynesworth are a lock for 16 games.

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.

Nice post... everything here makes sense but I don't get the draft day comment. Won't trade-back scenarios evolve as the perennial draft order shake-ups occur?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

With our star power, we should be the favorites in the division, but I just can't make the case that we are right now.

Ohhhh, so that's how it's done "STAR POWER".Not coaching,talent or hard work,not even chemistry...........star power,I'll let Tom Coughlin know that.

[53Fan]

I think we could get 2 impact players in the second but the problem would be finding someone with 2 picks in the second who would want to deal.

[53Fan]

Yes there are. Of course with Millen out in Detroit it does narrow the list.

[tootergray34]

dudes for real, there is no way we get suggs, I hate to break it to all the "hopers" out there. But for real, i'd rather go with a rookie...like ray mauluaga if we were really interested in a linebacker. no sense in anymore FA in my opinion. we are about as good as we can get right now through FA. Hopefully we can build off the draft now

[GTripp0012]

We could also take Tyson Jackson with the 13th pick and expect him to be a 7-sack rookie, in which case, it would eliminate the need for the pass-rushing LB, but that's a really optimistic projection, even with Haynesworth on the inside.

He's talent though.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Per the Redskin Insider. This doesn't break my heart.

Redskins Insider

Willis Picks Seahawks Over Redskins

Jason Reid checks in with this bit of news...
Guard/tackle Ray Willis, the Redskins' top free agent target to play right tackle, has re-signed with the Seattle Seahawks, a league source said.
Willis chose to return to Seattle instead of accepting the Redskins' free agent offer.
The Redskins are now expected to pursue Arizona guard/tackle Elton Brown.

It may not break your heart but JC may get his heart broken when a Giant kills him next season from that right side of the line!

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Per the Redskin Insider. This doesn't break my heart.

Redskins Insider

Willis Picks Seahawks Over Redskins

Jason Reid checks in with this bit of news...
Guard/tackle Ray Willis, the Redskins' top free agent target to play right tackle, has re-signed with the Seattle Seahawks, a league source said.
Willis chose to return to Seattle instead of accepting the Redskins' free agent offer.
The Redskins are now expected to pursue Arizona guard/tackle Elton Brown.

that's okay, he signed with his own team for presumably nothing much better than offered

[KI Skins Fan]

This is a good thread with some insightful thinking. I have a few comments based on what has been said so far.

1. Why not try to rent a veteran (read old) FA RT for a year? Tra Thomas would be nice and John Runyan might be able to do the job, as well.

BTW, I just noticed in abbrieviating the terms "free agent right tackle" that if you push the letters together they spell "FART". So, why not pick up an old FART for a year, unless you think there's none better than the old fart we already have?

2. The scenario where Detroit may want to trade for our #13 pick might be where Detroit picks Curry #1 and Stafford is still available at #13, enabling them to get both players.

3. Nobody mentioned in this thread that scouts think that C Alex Mack could also play guard in the NFL. He could backup at C and G now and eventually replace Rabach at C.

[Skinny Tee]

Not getting Willis narrowed our 13th overall draft selection.

We need to force a RT now with our selection.

[Nflnick11]

Get crowell I FA, trade down draft mack, you hopefully get a 2nd rounder, draft Loadholt, to play right tackle, use the 3rd rounder on a DE like a brandon Williams of Texas tech, and use the rest of our picks on Tackles, LBs, and DE's...hopefully to find the next horton type pick/starter

[MiraclesHappen07]

Man this sucks, what a bind we are in aren't we fellas? But eh, this is nothing new, typically redskins!, im just ready for the season to start to see how bad we can be this year!! and for next offseason when, (as of now) we have all draft picks. SOooo its going to take next year too before we are at were we want to be.