FOX - Botched trade will put pressure on Redskins

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What do you say guys, thumbs up or down? You make the call.

Thumbs up I guess, as far as letting him stick around.

I can understand what he's saying, but I don't completely agree with his logic. I'm not a huge fan of Campbell as a player but I do think there is still a good chance to he makes that jump to the next level this year if his supporting cast plays like it did at the beginning of last season. Think back to the long TD pass against the Saints at the beginning of the season (God that was a long time ago): he made a great move to avoid the rush; dipped his shoulder while keeping his eyes downfield; and fired the ball right on point to Moss. If he can make a play or two like that per game, and I think he can, we better pray that we can resign him.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What do you say guys, thumbs up (live) or down (die)? You make the call.

I don't think he's done enough to deserve the boot. Some people have bad days, some people have a different way of arguing, some are more reactionary.

As a site administrator you want activity. I don't find his obnoxious; booting him would make this site look too clique-driven, which it can definitely be at times. Then again, definitely don't want this being ES Jr. either; not to mention they're coming up with new excuses daily to ban people and restrict their permissions.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I don't think he's done enough to deserve the boot. Some people have bad days, some people have a different way of arguing, some are more reactionary.

As a site administrator you want activity. I don't find his obnoxious; booting him would make this site look too clique-driven, which it can definitely be at times. Then again, definitely don't want this being ES Jr. either; not to mention they're coming up with new excuses daily to ban people and restrict their permissions.

I don't care about what he's saying, I'm asking whether we should boot him due to the fact he may be a moron that was previously banned posting under a new name. He basically admitted to it but has since backtracked.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't care about what he's saying, I'm asking whether we should boot him due to the fact he may be a moron that was previously banned posting under a new name. He basically admitted to it but has since backtracked.

Ahh, yeah.. well if he had something more to bring to the table than his Campbell arguments I'd definitely turn the other cheek. Otherwise, if that's all that he wants to do here, I really have no opinion.

A little geolocation searching, other clues such as similar emails, birthdays, etc against banned members might lead you to a clue. Are most bans here permanent?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't care about what he's saying, I'm asking whether we should boot him due to the fact he may be a moron that was previously banned posting under a new name. He basically admitted to it but has since backtracked.

The moron part I'm pretty sure about but only you know if he's been banned before Matty. If so, give him the boot. I'm pretty tired of the Campbell bashing myself. There's more than enough on here already. If that's all he has to offer....can his ass!

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

The moron part I'm pretty sure about but only you know if he's been banned before Matty. If so, give him the boot. I'm pretty tired of the Campbell bashing myself. There's more than enough on here already. If that's all he has to offer....can his ass!

For real.. I tried to engage/bait him into bringing more to the table but can him and let him go over to ES where he will fit in just fine with the other morons.

[AnimateYYZ]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I don't think he's done enough to deserve the boot. Some people have bad days, some people have a different way of arguing, some are more reactionary.

As a site administrator you want activity. I don't find his obnoxious; booting him would make this site look too clique-driven, which it can definitely be at times. Then again, definitely don't want this being ES Jr. either; not to mention they're coming up with new excuses daily to ban people and restrict their permissions.

...Or THN where it's a gaggle of Campbell haters, people with 70,000+ posts and signatures with a bunch of annoying banners and quotes a mile long.

[redskins1974]

thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.

Dude, we get it, you don't like Campbell.. If you want a thumbs up then don't be a one trick pony. Bring something other than 'JC sucks' to the board. What else ya got?

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Dude, we get it, you don't like Campbell.. If you want a thumbs up then don't be a one trick pony. Bring something other than 'JC sucks' to the board. What else ya got?

oh so we cant discuss things on this site?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

oh so we cant discuss things on this site?

We can discuss a bunch of things but you seem to want to discuss thing (singular). Is your entire base of Redskins knowledge and focus Jason Campbell? You act like you walked in on him doing a two minute drill on your mom. Seriously, what else do you have? Portis? Hall? HB Blades? Samuels? Suisham? Draft? Any other opinions other than 'JC sucks'?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

We can discuss a bunch of things but you seem to want to discuss thing (singular). Is your entire base of Redskins knowledge and focus Jason Campbell? You act like you walked in on him doing a two minute drill on your mom. Seriously, what else do you have? Portis? Hall? HB Blades? Samuels? Suisham? Draft? Any other opinions other than 'JC sucks'?

He's "new" I guess so we can cut him a break, but generally I agree, one trick ponies wear out their welcome pretty quick around here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.

How many truly great QBs are there in the league right now? No more than 3-5 that I can name.

Fact is the majority of the QBs in the league need a good supporting cast, and there's nothing wrong with that. JC might never be a Brady, Manning or Brees type, but you don't necessarily need that kind of QB to be a winner. Even the greats have a good cast around them. Just ask Marino where being a great QB on consistently mediocre teams gets you.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How many truly great QBs are there in the league right now? No more than 3-5 that I can name.

Fact is the majority of the QBs in the league need a good supporting cast, and there's nothing wrong with that. JC might never be a Brady, Manning or Brees type, but you don't necessarily need that kind of QB to be a winner. Even the greats have a good cast around them. Just ask Marino where being a great QB on consistently mediocre teams gets you.

So a QB gets drafted this decade in the 2nd round, in his first 28 starts he compiles stats of 29 TD, 31 INT, averaging right around 200 yards per game, 6.7 yards per completion, 79.7 QB rating while posting a sub .500 record. He's roundly criticized by his team's fan base for his lack of production, lack of consistency, accuracy and leadership abilities. Their was excitement was boundless when his replacement was sought, even though it was publicly botched. Any guesses who that QB is?









Drew Brees: Career Stats

The patron saint of not giving up on young QB too soon. Everyone in SD just knew that Brees was a bust and would be nothing but a journeyman backup (sound familiar?) but once his position was threatened by the Phillip Rivers trade he turned things around quickly. Possibly JC gets the same motivation by the "botched trade".

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskins1974

thats kind of my point....great QB's dont need the supporting cast all the time...they go out and win the games, even when other parts of a team are faultering... i remember the jc pass in the saints game, but i also remember games likes the steelers and cowboys at home, where JC had a deer in headlights look.

Well even Tom Brady had a very strong defense as a supporting cast the year before they got Moss, when he had no one to throw to except his tight ends; not to mention that he had one of the best offensive lines in the league.

Without checking stats and just off the top of my head, I would say that the top 3 QBs right now are: Brady, P. Manning, and Brees. One thing that I believe all of these QBs have supporting them are solid offensive lines (well the Colts line was a bit shaky at the beginning, esp. when Saturday was out) and very good wideouts (Moss/Welker in NE, Wayen/Gonzalez/Clark in Indy, and Colston/Henderson/Moore in N.O).