Rank the NFC East teams position by position....

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL,so what does it mean?Haters .....got to love em!:smashfrea

Haters? Dude I said earlier I was happy the Giants beat the Patriots. It was the greatest non-Redskin football game I have ever watched. I loved how the Giants whipped those Cheatriots asses.

Im just saying I dont think one SB run by Eli and the Giants means hes a better QB than Romo. I dont hate Eli im just stating my opinion. Romo the last three years has been better than Eli. I will give Eli some credit and say that he has closed the gap between them.

Originally Posted by pick-ups

Wouldn't shock me at all.

I think with each team it'll come down to who's hot and avoids crucial injuries.

Yeah the NFC East once again should be fun to watch. All four teams have the talent to compete for the NFC East Title if things break right.

[Giantone]

[quote=Brian Orakpo;559549]

Im just saying I dont think one SB run by Eli and the Giants means hes a better QB than Romo. I dont hate Eli im just stating my opinion. Romo the last three years has been better than Eli. I will give Eli some credit and say that he has closed the gap between them.


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Yes it does,isn't that what all this is about ...going to the Super bowl?A QB rating means squat,you might play in a bad climate and that effects your rating ...who knows,how many times did a WR or RB tip a ball in the air for an INT,maybe you ran a boat load.Romo had a great team all around him and when it matter he choked.I would say Marino or Tarkington would give back some of thier ratings ..or records for a ring.You don't think one super bowl run matters,well how many fans or players would love to have had the run Eli and that team had.QB ratings were something invented by fantasy football players.they mean nothing becuase at the end of the season it's wins and loss's.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL,so what does it mean?Haters .....got to love em!:smashfrea

It, uh, doesn't mean anything. It's a nice trivia fact to know if there's ever a game show that asks the question.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It, uh, doesn't mean anything. It's a nice trivia fact to know if there's ever a game show that asks the question.

I was responding to a point that people think Romo is better then Eli.................no.Oh and yeah it means something,there isn't one QB out there that wouldn't give his right arm(lol) for a SB MVP and a ring...........they would give every QB rating under the sun back .

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Looking at the Redskins, Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles projected lineups as of today how would you rank these teams 1-4 position by position?

Heres my rankings....

QB - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins
I still think McNabb is the best QB in the NFC East. Romo is too up and down to be rated ahead of McNabb but he is better than both Manning and Campbell. I gave Eli a slight edge over Campbell just because of his playoff experience and SB ring. I do think Campbell can move up on this list if he can play well in a contract year.

RB - 1. Cowboys 2. Redskins 3. Eagles 4. Giants
Its really hard to rank the NFC East RBs. All four teams have talent and you could very easily put the Giants at #1. I put the Boys at the top because of their three headed monster of Barber, Jones, and Choice. I think the Cowboys will get back to the running game this year and it will be huge for them. I put the Skins at #2 because of Portis. When hes healthy and the offensive line shows a pulse hes probably one of the top 3 backs in the game. The combo of Westbrook and McCoy got the edge over Jacobs/Bradshaw/Andre Brown. I do think Andre Brown in a couple years will be a pretty good RB though.

WR/TE - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants
The Eagles get the top spot here because I think their trio of WRs Jackson/Curits/Maclin will be very explosive this year. I also like Celek as a TE who can make some plays. I think hes better than most people think. I put the Cowboys at 2 over the Redskins because I think their WR core is a little better. They both have a nice pair of TEs Witten/Bennett and Cooley/Davis and solid #1s Moss and Roy Dub. I just believe the progression of Thomas and Kelly right now cant match the play of players like Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin. I have the Giants at 4 but in a couple years they will be #1. Young talent alone in the draft in Nicks, Barden, and Beckum should be huge for the Giants down the road. The problem with the Giants is their lack of a #1 WR.

OL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Giants 4. Redskins
I love the additions the Eagles made to their offensive line this offseason adding Stacy Andrews and Jason Peters. The Cowboys have a very solid offensive line as do the Giants. I put the Skins at 4th just because of injuries that have occured yearly and the hole at RT.

DL - 1. Giants 2. Redskins 3. Cowboys 4. Eagles
I give the edge to the Giants with all the talent on their line. Osi, Tuck, Canty, Kiwanuka, Robbins, Cofield, Bernard, and Alford. You could build two defensive lines and be effective with that talent. The Redskins finally upgraded their defensive line with the additions of Haynesworth and Orakpo. The Cowboys are also very solid with Ratliff in the middle and Spears/Igor at the two end spots. The Eagles are at 4 but they still have alot of talent and the #4 ranking doesnt do them justice.

LB - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Eagles
The Cowboys with Ware and Co. get the top spot. The Giants made some nice additions with Boley and Sintim. The Redskins have a hole at SLB but Fletcher is one of the top MLB in the game. The Eagles have solid LBs that do their job but I rate them 4th among LBs in the NFC East.

DB - 1. Redskins 2. Eagles 3. Cowboys 4. Giants
The Redskins have a very good defensive backfield with Rogers, Hall, Smoot, Landry, and Horton. The Eagles have a nice trio of CBs in Samuel, Brown and Hobbs. They lost Dawkins but still have solid Ss in Mikell and Demps. The Cowboys improved alot with the additions of draft picks DeAngelo Smith and Mike Mickens (who was a steal) at CB and Sensabaugh at S. Add that to Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, and Hamlin and the Cowboys have nice talent and depth in the defensive backfield. The Giants have a nice pair of CBs in Ross and Webster and a nice young S in Kenny Phillips but they are 4th on my list.

SpT - 1. Cowboys 2. Giants 3. Eagles 4. Redskins
The Cowboys easily have the best SpT with players like Folk and McBriar. The Giants are solid with players like Tynes and Feagles. The Eagles could have found a nice kicker who could unseat Akers in Sam Swank. The Redskins are last with big question marks at kicker and returner.

HC - 1. Eagles 2. Giants 3. Redskins 4. Cowboys
The Eagles and Giants both have very good coaches in Reid and Coughlin who get the most out of their players. The Skins and Boys both have coaches who are on the hot seat imo in Zorn and Phillips.

OVERALL - 1. Eagles 2. Cowboys 3. Redskins 4. Giants
The Eagles up and down the board have enough talent to get to yet another NFC Championship Game. The Cowboys and Redskins both are teams who could make the playoffs. I think it will come down to QB play and coaching for them. The Giants have enough talent but I just see a couple question marks that might slow them down this year.

Great analysis BO!

Originally Posted by diehard

Great analysis BO!

Thanks dude. Im glad you enjoyed it.

[diehard]

This year it will show we're a better team on the field rather than on paper...

Originally Posted by diehard

This year it will show we're a better team on the field rather than on paper...

Yeah I think so too. It really all depends on Campbell though. I think the defense will be top 3 this year. If the offense can score 20 ppg this year we would be set.

[pick-ups]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Yeah I think so too. It really all depends on Campbell though. I think the defense will be top 3 this year. If the offense can score 20 ppg this year we would be set.

Wouldn't shock me at all.

I think with each team it'll come down to who's hot and avoids crucial injuries.

[GTripp0012]

But if you threw Romo and Eli onto the same roster, most people would agree that this hypothetical team would be more likely to win games with Romo in than Eli. Thus, the conclusion is that Romo is better. That's just common sense.

I don't think many people are convinced that Romo is a top three QB, I don't even know if he's top five (Brees, Brady, Rivers, Peyton...and then who?), but clearly, he's more accomplished as a player than Eli is. EVERY SEASON Romo has ever played has been more productive than the very best season Eli has had. Eli got the one super bowl opportunity between the two of them, simply because the Giants are a better run organization than the Cowboys. Not because of inherent greatness. Chances are, if Accorsi had been there to build the Cowboys, post-Parcells, Romo would have a ring right now.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But if you threw Romo and Eli onto the same roster, most people would agree that this hypothetical team would be more likely to win games with Romo in than Eli. Thus, the conclusion is that Romo is better. That's just common sense.

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First lets remember ...were talking NFC East......not top 5 in the league.
No most people wouldn't agree,Romo has become a running joke ,for that matter so have the rest of the Cowboys.Common sense is to go with whoever gives you the best chance to winand that is Eli not Romo.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But if you threw Romo and Eli onto the same roster, most people would agree that this hypothetical team would be more likely to win games with Romo in than Eli. Thus, the conclusion is that Romo is better. That's just common sense.

I don't think many people are convinced that Romo is a top three QB, I don't even know if he's top five (Brees, Brady, Rivers, Peyton...and then who?), but clearly, he's more accomplished as a player than Eli is. EVERY SEASON Romo has ever played has been more productive than the very best season Eli has had. Eli got the one super bowl opportunity between the two of them, simply because the Giants are a better run organization than the Cowboys. Not because of inherent greatness. Chances are, if Accorsi had been there to build the Cowboys, post-Parcells, Romo would have a ring right now.

Good post here. The Giants are better run and Eli played safe football but still.....Eli had his chance and he took advantage of his opportunity. We don't know how Romo would've thrown the ball in -20 degees when NY had to play in GB. It wasn't just Eli's SB game, he played very well in horrible conditions at GB. Let's not forget that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Good post here. The Giants are better run and Eli played safe football but still.....Eli had his chance and he took advantage of his opportunity. We don't know how Romo would've thrown the ball in -20 degees when NY had to play in GB. It wasn't just Eli's SB game, he played very well in horrible conditions at GB. Let's not forget that.

I think the Eli should get plenty of credit for playing well during that stretch. The Giants did not win the super bowl in spite of him. His play was a major cog in that run.

Ultimately though, the Giants weren't playing with the best-stacked deck in those playoffs. So while Eli deserves plenty of credit for his string of play, it's still improper to point out he "has a ring" without pointing out that he was considerably lucky to get all the way with that team.

By that I mean, Eli and the Giants weren't knocking on the door of the SB in the two seasons prior to 2007, they had long been a playoff afterthought. Eli had not done anything of note in the playoffs prior to January 2008. So when the Giants got going, and beat down two very talented teams in the Bucs and the Cowboys, they had rightfully earned their shot at a ring. But the Packers and Pats both had plenty of oppertities to deny the Giants the championship.

My point, is in a one and done format, it's not right to hate on those who haven't gone all the way. Teams that lose in the first round might have very well gone 3-1 if the playoffs were a round robin instead of play-off. It's essentially why I believe that teams that consistently get deep into the playoffs but don't ever win are more accomplished than teams like the Giants, who are a playoff afterthought in most years, but happen to win it all just once.

The difference between the Cards and the Giants is James Harrison falling on the Goal Line as opposed to the half yard line, or even Asante Samuels' hands failing him.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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Good post here. The Giants are better run and Eli played safe football but still.....Eli had his chance and he took advantage of his opportunity. We don't know how Romo would've thrown the ball in -20 degees when NY had to play in GB. It wasn't just Eli's SB game, he played very well in horrible conditions at GB. Let's not forget that.

Yes he did but look at when football really counts ...in Dec and Jan and Romo stinks.........,Romo in Dec/Jan
Wins....5
Losses...10

Completions...297
Attemps.....541

completion %...58%

Passing yards....3,385
Passing YPG.....225.6

FUMBLES.......19

PS, sorry it took me so long ...I've been working a lot over the Memorial Day weekend.

[GTripp0012]

I'm just going to take my point above, and move it into a top ten list to better illustrate my point.

The top 10 QB seasons in NFC East history (since the 2002 realignment)
[According to Football Outsiders DYAR]

1. McNabb, 2004 (1,393)
2. Romo, 2007 (1,295)
3. McNabb, 2008 (1,048)
4. E. Manning, 2008 (1,031)
5. K. Collins, 2002 (1,007)
6. Romo, 2008 (878) [13 games]
7. Romo, 2006 (696) [10 games]
8. McNabb, 2006 (658) [11 games]
9. McNabb, 2007 (658)
10. Campbell, 2008 (656)

Romo only has had three seasons as a starting QB in the NFL, and he's clearly the most prolific passer in the history of the 4 team division. However, McNabb has had enough strong seasons where I believe you could make the argument that he should be the divisions no. 1, and he's the only one of the group that has enjoyed playoff success.

Admittedly though, I did not realize how good McNabb's 2008 was. His case for No. 1 looks way weaker if I were to take that off the list. See:

1. McNabb, 2004 (1,393)
2. Romo, 2007 (1,295)
3. E. Manning, 2008 (1,031)
4. K. Collins, 2002 (1,007)
5. Romo, 2008 (878) [13 games]
6. Romo, 2006 (696) [10 games]
7. McNabb, 2006 (658) [11 games]
8. McNabb, 2007 (658)
9. Campbell, 2008 (656)
10. E. Manning, 2005 (604)