Should Ramsey Start Against Chicago?

Luxorreb · 10-11-2004, 03:25 AM

Bring In Ramsey!!!
Cannon Man Pat!

That Guy · 10-11-2004, 04:57 AM

here's my thoughts (as if anyone cares

)

when we got behind by 7 points, my heart sunk, cause i knew that brunell's love of the 4 yard pass and throwing the ball away (as per instructions), such a small lead would be impossible to overcome... he threw high, to the right, etc all over the field... he's had 5 weeks to show improvement and he hasn't, SO...

give ramsey a week and see how he fares (the ravens would be a horrible game to start him in, brunell's also lit them up in the past, but not tonight)... with brunell in i feel like we can't get back from being behind, PR has big play ability... he makes mistakes, but i have hope till the last second that he might be able to make SOMETHING happen... and i think he has a much better connection with coles (brunell seems to prefer gardner or whoever is 4-7 yards out)...

ramsey could suck too, but i think i rather take me chances with him than with these short passes... brunell seems to ONLY throw to safety vavles and short of first downs (luckily coles can run decently...)

i just hate watching crappy horizontal passing, especially when its not working... we'd have to be lucky to hit 8-8 right now, if ramsey's the future, now's a good time to lay the groundwork...

NY_Skinsfan · 10-11-2004, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

give ramsey a week and see how he fares (the ravens would be a horrible game to start him in, brunell's also lit them up in the past, but not tonight)... with brunell in i feel like we can't get back from being behind, PR has big play ability... he makes mistakes, but i have hope till the last second that he might be able to make SOMETHING happen...

i agree...Ramsey makes mistakes but he also moves the ball down the field...When Brunell makes mistakes the opposing defense walks into the endzone with a fumble recovery.

Gmanc711 · 10-11-2004, 07:04 AM

You know what I really hate. When we have 3rd and 8 or a 3rd and ten, and Brunell throws a 4 yard pass. Isnt this the reason we brought in a vetran Quarterback, so he didnt do stupid crap like that. Half the time when the recivers would drop the ball, I would just think, " Good, you shouldnt be throwing it there anyways ". I mean seriously, this guy is AHHHHHHHHH I'm going crazy. I hate night games, I never get any sleep, but I'm sure some guys had it worse.

That Guy · 10-11-2004, 07:53 AM

yeah, the constant 4 yard passes are killing me... it seems like thats all he ever wants to throw... ever...

MTK · 10-11-2004, 09:38 AM

Here's my prediction:

Brunell starts this week in Chicago, if the offense still doesn't show any life, Ramsey is the starter after the bye. Just my gut feeling.

Paintrain · 10-11-2004, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Here's my prediction:

Brunell starts this week in Chicago, if the offense still doesn't show any life, Ramsey is the starter after the bye. Just my gut feeling.

Probably a good call Matty and more of the way it should be. As frustrated as I am and have been with Jelly Arm (as he will be known until proven otherwise) to start Ramsey for a week, then go into the bye doesn't do much. Suppose Ramsey struggles, then we have 2 weeks of hand wringing over who the starter should be. If J.A. can't get it done at Chicago, then it's defnitely time for a change.

celts32 · 10-11-2004, 09:51 AM

I would give Brunell one more week to get the offense going and then switch to Ramsey after the bye week if there is no improvement.

That would give Ramsey an extra week of practice with the first team offense so that he has a better chance for success.

MTK · 10-11-2004, 10:23 AM

Like celts32 said, starting Ramsey after the bye makes a bit more sense because he'll have the extra prep time.

SkinsRock · 10-11-2004, 10:57 AM

The #1 problem is the O-line. The main reason for this is the loss of Jansen, especially since Brunell is a lefty. His blind-side protection is practically non-existant, hence 3 sack/fumbles taken in for TD's. So with Ramsey in there, at least we'd have our pro-bowl tackle Samuels protecting him (yeah, he hasn't been playing at a pro-bowl level the past couple years, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Jones or Brown). Plus, we've had to give them more help from TE's and backs, which we wouldn't have to do quite as much on the other side with Samuels.
Also, as others have said, Ramsey can put the ball down the field. I wouldn't mind a couple INT's deep in their side of the field rather than fumbles in ours. Another thing with Ramsey is that with his strong arm, even for short passes, he can get the ball there much quicker. I don't know how many times I've seen a receiver open, but by the time the ball gets to him, the defensive player has recovered and is right there to make the stop or knock the ball away. Ramsey's quick bullets would help this, at least some of the time.
Another thing others have pointed out is that the running game has sucked, and the downfield threat from Ramsey would help this. Absolutely! This is another thing on the O-line too though. I expected Gibbs to change it up a little more and not have Portis run between the tackles quite as much, but it doesn't look like he has. I also thought they would have studied what Denver did last year, and would "steal" a couple running plays from them for CP to feel more comfortable with, but it doesn't look like they have done this either.
All in all, I think Gibbs will adjust, but right now they just need some kind of spark, and the easiest "quick-fix" to attempt is to put Ramsey in. A thought: Back in '81, Gibbs tried to use his version of "Air Coryell" and failed, so they went to the one-back power running game and started winning. Whereas now, with the personnel we have, the power running game isn't really working, so what about switching to a more downfield approach like the Rams and Chiefs. Just a thought...
On a positive note, I was happy to see them mixing it up by putting Jacobs in there some....although I'd like to see McCants in there too.

Riggo44 · 10-11-2004, 12:15 PM

Start Ramsey!! NOW!!!!

Gmanc711 · 10-11-2004, 12:28 PM

If I'm Joe Gibbs, I go up to Brunell and say look, this is your last chance. Straight up tell him, if he dosent show some improvement against CHICAGO!! then hes done. I think he should do that. If we look like sh*t in the first half, get Ramsey in there and end this Brunell experiment, and try to win the game. Really I would just rather see Ramsey start, but if Brunell is goinjg to go, I think Gibbs should just be tell Brunell its do or die.

DirtBagZ · 10-11-2004, 01:07 PM

Just what I feared, from today's Michael Wilbon's column in the Washington Post.

I think Mark is a reflection of all of us," Coach Joe Gibbs said of Brunell's play. "We're all together on it. Our offense didn't play well. It was a very good defensive team, but we didn't play well. We haven't been playing well. We have to find a way to make things click for us."

My opinion on this, Brunell will continue to be the guy, unless he as a season ending injury. For those who hope for Ramsey, I would not take any solace in the statement, "We have to find a way to make things click for us." Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell till the bitter end.

MTK · 10-11-2004, 01:12 PM

Brunell's play is a reflection of the entire offense, he isn't the sole reason for their struggles and he isn't any more to blame than anyone else right now.

Gibbs will make the switch after the bye if the offense sputters again and we lose against Chicago, bank on it.

Big C · 10-11-2004, 01:14 PM

see, even when ramsey came in against the giants, and threw the picks, he still got us down the field, gaining big chunks of yards. we got nothing to lose anymore, so get his development started again

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Are you crazy, keep Brunell in!	5	5.56%
Brunell hasn't done much, but enough to remain the starter.	19	21.11%
Brunell isn't a bad QB, but we'd be better with Ramsey.	30	33.33%
Are you crazy, it's not even a question...start Ramsey!	36	40.00%
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10-11-2004, 07:04 AM	#4
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 40 Posts: 7,506	You know what I really hate. When we have 3rd and 8 or a 3rd and ten, and Brunell throws a 4 yard pass. Isnt this the reason we brought in a vetran Quarterback, so he didnt do stupid crap like that. Half the time when the recivers would drop the ball, I would just think, " Good, you shouldnt be throwing it there anyways ". I mean seriously, this guy is AHHHHHHHHH I'm going crazy. I hate night games, I never get any sleep, but I'm sure some guys had it worse. __________________ #21

10-11-2004, 12:15 PM	#11
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 52 Posts: 2,390	Start Ramsey!! NOW!!!! __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

10-11-2004, 12:28 PM	#12
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 40 Posts: 7,506	If I'm Joe Gibbs, I go up to Brunell and say look, this is your last chance. Straight up tell him, if he dosent show some improvement against CHICAGO!! then hes done. I think he should do that. If we look like sh*t in the first half, get Ramsey in there and end this Brunell experiment, and try to win the game. Really I would just rather see Ramsey start, but if Brunell is goinjg to go, I think Gibbs should just be tell Brunell its do or die. __________________ #21

10-11-2004, 01:14 PM	#15
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 40 Posts: 4,453	see, even when ramsey came in against the giants, and threw the picks, he still got us down the field, gaining big chunks of yards. we got nothing to lose anymore, so get his development started again __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

10-11-2004, 03:25 AM	#1
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 54 Posts: 1,630	Bring In Ramsey!!! Cannon Man Pat! __________________ ^21^

10-11-2004, 04:57 AM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	here's my thoughts (as if anyone cares ) when we got behind by 7 points, my heart sunk, cause i knew that brunell's love of the 4 yard pass and throwing the ball away (as per instructions), such a small lead would be impossible to overcome... he threw high, to the right, etc all over the field... he's had 5 weeks to show improvement and he hasn't, SO... give ramsey a week and see how he fares (the ravens would be a horrible game to start him in, brunell's also lit them up in the past, but not tonight)... with brunell in i feel like we can't get back from being behind, PR has big play ability... he makes mistakes, but i have hope till the last second that he might be able to make SOMETHING happen... and i think he has a much better connection with coles (brunell seems to prefer gardner or whoever is 4-7 yards out)... ramsey could suck too, but i think i rather take me chances with him than with these short passes... brunell seems to ONLY throw to safety vavles and short of first downs (luckily coles can run decently...) i just hate watching crappy horizontal passing, especially when its not working... we'd have to be lucky to hit 8-8 right now, if ramsey's the future, now's a good time to lay the groundwork...

10-11-2004, 07:53 AM	#5
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	yeah, the constant 4 yard passes are killing me... it seems like thats all he ever wants to throw... ever...

10-11-2004, 09:38 AM	#6
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Here's my prediction: Brunell starts this week in Chicago, if the offense still doesn't show any life, Ramsey is the starter after the bye. Just my gut feeling.

10-11-2004, 09:51 AM	#8
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 55 Posts: 2,665	I would give Brunell one more week to get the offense going and then switch to Ramsey after the bye week if there is no improvement. That would give Ramsey an extra week of practice with the first team offense so that he has a better chance for success.

10-11-2004, 10:23 AM	#9
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Like celts32 said, starting Ramsey after the bye makes a bit more sense because he'll have the extra prep time.

10-11-2004, 10:57 AM	#10
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 56 Posts: 907	The #1 problem is the O-line. The main reason for this is the loss of Jansen, especially since Brunell is a lefty. His blind-side protection is practically non-existant, hence 3 sack/fumbles taken in for TD's. So with Ramsey in there, at least we'd have our pro-bowl tackle Samuels protecting him (yeah, he hasn't been playing at a pro-bowl level the past couple years, but he's still a hell of a lot better than Jones or Brown). Plus, we've had to give them more help from TE's and backs, which we wouldn't have to do quite as much on the other side with Samuels. Also, as others have said, Ramsey can put the ball down the field. I wouldn't mind a couple INT's deep in their side of the field rather than fumbles in ours. Another thing with Ramsey is that with his strong arm, even for short passes, he can get the ball there much quicker. I don't know how many times I've seen a receiver open, but by the time the ball gets to him, the defensive player has recovered and is right there to make the stop or knock the ball away. Ramsey's quick bullets would help this, at least some of the time. Another thing others have pointed out is that the running game has sucked, and the downfield threat from Ramsey would help this. Absolutely! This is another thing on the O-line too though. I expected Gibbs to change it up a little more and not have Portis run between the tackles quite as much, but it doesn't look like he has. I also thought they would have studied what Denver did last year, and would "steal" a couple running plays from them for CP to feel more comfortable with, but it doesn't look like they have done this either. All in all, I think Gibbs will adjust, but right now they just need some kind of spark, and the easiest "quick-fix" to attempt is to put Ramsey in. A thought: Back in '81, Gibbs tried to use his version of "Air Coryell" and failed, so they went to the one-back power running game and started winning. Whereas now, with the personnel we have, the power running game isn't really working, so what about switching to a more downfield approach like the Rams and Chiefs. Just a thought... On a positive note, I was happy to see them mixing it up by putting Jacobs in there some....although I'd like to see McCants in there too.

10-11-2004, 01:07 PM	#13
DirtBagZ Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 481	Just what I feared, from today's Michael Wilbon's column in the Washington Post. I think Mark is a reflection of all of us," Coach Joe Gibbs said of Brunell's play. "We're all together on it. Our offense didn't play well. It was a very good defensive team, but we didn't play well. We haven't been playing well. We have to find a way to make things click for us." My opinion on this, Brunell will continue to be the guy, unless he as a season ending injury. For those who hope for Ramsey, I would not take any solace in the statement, "We have to find a way to make things click for us." Gibbs is going to stick with Brunell till the bitter end.

10-11-2004, 01:12 PM	#14
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Brunell's play is a reflection of the entire offense, he isn't the sole reason for their struggles and he isn't any more to blame than anyone else right now. Gibbs will make the switch after the bye if the offense sputters again and we lose against Chicago, bank on it.

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