Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Panthers)

[GridIron26]

Yup, you are right about Sellers.. He blew the block on safety play.. Pretty much almost everyone on offense has no discipline.. Obviously, this goes on Zorn..

JC is the main victim in this whole situation.. JC can play and he just showed it in the game.. But everyone else around him just keeps blow it away, which makes JC look bad..

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Are you taking about the players or the offensive plays? Sure the run game is quite similar, but it worked a hell of a lot better with Gibbs. Also minus the two-timeout botch, Gibbs did a pretty good job in management.

Also he kept a team together, after a couple terrible starts; I highly doubt Zorn has that ability. If we lose next week the players are going to start giving up on him. We can already see the impacts of the lack of discipline both at Skins park and during games.

Yeah Gibbs player eval did have some flaws, but he got Cooley, Landry, Sean Taylor. I put a decent amount of blame on the FO this year, but Gibbs 2.0 owns Zorn any day IMO.

Are you talking clock management? If so I think you forgot about all the times Gibbs was on the side lines looking like he had no clue what to do and all the post here saying the games has passed him by. I love Gibbs but the game had passed him by.

[redsk1]

No one has mentioned Mike Sellers. He got called out big time by Brian Billick for his non-blocking on the safety and for last weeks goalline non block. I guess none of our coaches mentioned how to block to him last week b/c he did the same thing this week. He tried to run around the corner instead of blocking the first person he came accross. I guess that's what CP was trying to tell the coaches.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by redsk1

No one has mentioned Mike Sellers. He got called out big time by Brian Billick for his non-blocking on the safety and for last weeks goalline non block. I guess none of our coaches mentioned how to block to him last week b/c he did the same thing this week. He tried to run around the corner instead of blocking the first person he came accross. I guess that's what CP was trying to tell the coaches.

Yep -- I don't know what's happened to him. Other than the fact that he just got a raise...

[skinsfan69]

Hall took a bad angle on the play action fake and that's why he couldn't recover and make the tackle. He bit too hard on the fake. But so what? It's not like our offense would've marched down the field and got us in FG range.

[JLee9718]

Everybody keeps saying Gibbs is great and he could straighten out this mess that he and Vinny put the Redskins in...Nobody is going to win with this offensive line, and that's a fact! Bring on Pete Kendall. And anybody else out there that is half decent at blocking so JC will at least have a chance to throw the ball to somebody...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

Everybody keeps saying Gibbs is great and he could straighten out this mess that he and Vinny put the Redskins in...Nobody is going to win with this offensive line, and that's a fact! Bring on Pete Kendall. And anybody else out there that is half decent at blocking so JC will at least have a chance to throw the ball to somebody...

It was kind of bizarre that Mike Williams who has started at T in the NFL played Right Guard for us yesterday, while D'Anthony Batiste, who has started at RG in the NFL played LT for us yesterday. Bizarre...or ass-backwards. However you want to look at it.

I suppose if Rinehart wasn't hurt then Williams would have slid in at RT and Heyer would have shifted to LT. But then again if Rhino wasn't hurt, then Big Mike probably wouldn't have been active.

All that said though, what about Will Montgomery (or Armstrong as the informed fans call him)? Maybe I missed it, but I don't think he was inactive. And I thought the whole reason of not starting him was his versatility. Why didn't he step in at guard, slide Big Mike over to RT where he has started and move Heyer over to LT yesterday when Samuels went down? Heyer is no great shakes at left tackle, but at least he has experience on that side.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

All that said though, what about Will Montgomery (or Armstrong as the informed fans call him)? Maybe I missed it, but I don't think he was inactive. And I thought the whole reason of not starting him was his versatility. Why didn't he step in at guard, slide Big Mike over to RT where he has started and move Heyer over to LT yesterday when Samuels went down? Heyer is no great shakes at left tackle, but at least he has experience on that side.

He was inactive.

Only Batiste (and maybe Edwin Williams?) was active but not starting yesterday.

It's kind of amazing that whenever Zorn has severely understaffed his OL over the past two years, Samuels has gotten hurt. But then again, that's pretty much all Zorn's fault for not being prepared.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He was inactive.

Only Batiste (and maybe Edwin Williams?) was active but not starting yesterday.

It's kind of amazing that whenever Zorn has severely understaffed his OL over the past two years, Samuels has gotten hurt. But then again, that's pretty much all Zorn's fault for not being prepared.

Are you sure? I thought Williams was inactive, but not Will Montgomery.

Here's Reid's list

Redskins Insider - Rinehart Out, Mike Williams In (with Inactives)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are you sure? I thought Williams was inactive, but not Will Montgomery.

Here's Reid's list

Redskins Insider - Rinehart Out, Mike Williams In (with Inactives)

That was my source as well, although at gametime. It's possible that I saw "Montgomery" and thought Will, though it was written as Anthony, although I'm pretty sure it read "Will Montgomery" at one point.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack;606872 Why didn't he step in at guard, [B

slide Big Mike over to RT[/B] where he has started and move Heyer over to LT yesterday when Samuels went down? Heyer is no great shakes at left tackle, but at least he has experience on that side.

I think that Big Mike is the reason that we didn't do that, but who knows with what's been going on this year.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by JLee9718

Everybody keeps saying Gibbs is great and he could straighten out this mess that he and Vinny put the Redskins in...Nobody is going to win with this offensive line, and that's a fact! Bring on Pete Kendall. And anybody else out there that is half decent at blocking so JC will at least have a chance to throw the ball to somebody...

I think Gibbs would probably have found a way to straighten out this mess eventually. This team seems to be falling apart more and more as time goes on, instead of better. The problem with Gibbs's recent coaching stint was - his offensive style of game was boring and too predictable.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

I think Gibbs would probably have found a way to straighten out this mess eventually. This team seems to be falling apart more and more as time goes on, instead of better. The problem with Gibbs's recent coaching stint was - his offensive style of game was boring and too predictable.

I dunno, seems that Gibbs did the best he could and in the end he could barely raise the team's head out of the water. Now they've fallen flat back on their faces without him. It's going to take some drastic changes, ones that I'm not sure Snyder is willing to make. So it looks like we're destined to toil around in mediocrity until Snyder finally realizes his way is the wrong way.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I dunno, seems that Gibbs did the best he could and in the end he could barely raise the team's head out of the water. Now they've fallen flat back on their faces without him. It's going to take some drastic changes, ones that I'm not sure Snyder is willing to make. So it looks like we're destined to toil around in mediocrity until Snyder finally realizes his way is the wrong way.

That's pretty much the long and short of it. We can get amped up about individual coaches/players, but until the overall philosophy of this organization changes, it will be more of the same, year in and year out.

Snyder needs to look no further than his boy Jerrah to see that his way doesn't work. Danny is walking down that path, and the Cowboys haven't sniffed a playoff win since I was in high school (I'm 31).

[53Fan]

Gibbs probably could have straightened this out but Gibbs didn't have to deal with constant rumors of being replaced and he had Dannys full support. Now, Gibbs is THE MAN if you ask me, but would it have killed Danny to come out and say that Zorn is his coach and he has his full support? Maybe let the players know that Zorn wasn't going anywhere and they needed to get their ass in gear? I think that would have been a good thing for a young coach that you supposedly had so much confidence in not so long ago.