Samuels Out Next Week

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

So we go out and re-sign Renaldo Wynn. What a meaningless move. We are void of quality depth on the O-line, our best O-lineman goes down, and we bring back a D-lineman???

Seriously, I feel really idiotic at the moment with all my defense of the FO on the Oline. I knew as well as everyone Samuels was going down at some point, and in my defense I called loud to bring in a solid back up LT, but I thought the rest of the line would hold up, I thought Heyer and Rinehart would establish themselves early on, leaving MW, WM, and EW as a solid young backup group. Clearly, the right side of the line needs more than what Heyer showed against the last 4 teams.

So VC ought to do the following moves right now:

1) Sign LJ, through what ever salary cap manipulations it takes
2) Beg Marcus Washington to come back and use him. Junior Seau signed for the Patriots, MW will come back if we ask.
3) Fire Stan Hixon (I don't care if he is the greatest WR coach in the world, we aren't cutting any of our receivers but someone has to pay!!!! ) (I also know this is a half-assed lame reason, but people have been fired for lesser cause)
4) Strip JZ of play calling. I don't care if it's what he wants to do, right now he can't get it done.

That would make me feel like the FO was actually watching the same games as I am.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Seriously, I feel really idiotic at the moment with all my defense of the FO on the Oline. I knew as well as everyone Samuels was going down at some point, and in my defense I called loud to bring in a solid back up LT, but I thought the rest of the line would hold up, I thought Heyer and Rinehart would establish themselves early on, leaving MW, WM, and EW as a solid young backup group. Clearly, the right side of the line needs more than what Heyer showed against the last 4 teams.

So VC ought to do the following moves right now:

1) Sign LJ, through what ever salary cap manipulations it takes
2) Beg Marcus Washington to come back and use him. Junior Seau signed for the Patriots, MW will come back if we ask.
3) Fire Stan Hixon (I don't care if he is the greatest WR coach in the world, we aren't cutting any of our receivers but someone has to pay!!!! ) (I also know this is a half-assed lame reason, but people have been fired for lesser cause)
4) Strip JZ of play calling. I don't care if it's what he wants to do, right now he can't get it done.

That would make me feel like the FO was actually watching the same games as I am.

Nice post! All these would would be positive moves and likely have an immediate impact. But I think you're last sentence is sorta the crux of the whole thing...very little we see makes me believe the FO has a realistic picture of the team. For the second consecutive season the Skins oline will be one of the worst in professional football...arguably the worst overall. Aging talent, mediocre youth and crappy depth. Signing an olineman would be like admitting a mistake and if there's one thing lil Danny and Vinny are renowned for it is their unparalleled egos...always the smartest guys in the room!!!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Nice post! All these would would be positive moves and likely have an immediate impact. But I think you're last sentence is sorta the crux of the whole thing...very little we see makes me believe the FO has a realistic picture of the team. For the second consecutive season the Skins oline will be one of the worst in professional football...arguably the worst overall. Aging talent, mediocre youth and crappy depth. Signing an olineman would be like admitting a mistake and if there's one thing lil Danny and Vinny are renowned for it is their unparalleled egos...always the smartest guys in the room!!!

Amen!!! Snder is constantly running this team as if we're a player or two from championship caliber, when in reality, there are NUMEROUS holes to fill. We need front office with the patience to stockpile draft picks which can be used to fill holes and add cheap, quality depth. NE and Philly are masters at this. Snyderato insists that we have a plan. At what point will the FO admit that the plan is a bust? If they bring in Shanahan, or another big name, I want that coach to have FINAL say on all personnel matters since it's apparent that The Danny will never concede that he screwed up by not hiring a competent GM.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Seriously, I feel really idiotic at the moment with all my defense of the FO on the Oline. I knew as well as everyone Samuels was going down at some point, and in my defense I called loud to bring in a solid back up LT, but I thought the rest of the line would hold up, I thought Heyer and Rinehart would establish themselves early on, leaving MW, WM, and EW as a solid young backup group. Clearly, the right side of the line needs more than what Heyer showed against the last 4 teams.

So VC ought to do the following moves right now:

1) Sign LJ, through what ever salary cap manipulations it takes
2) Beg Marcus Washington to come back and use him. Junior Seau signed for the Patriots, MW will come back if we ask.
3) Fire Stan Hixon (I don't care if he is the greatest WR coach in the world, we aren't cutting any of our receivers but someone has to pay!!!! ) (I also know this is a half-assed lame reason, but people have been fired for lesser cause)
4) Strip JZ of play calling. I don't care if it's what he wants to do, right now he can't get it done.

That would make me feel like the FO was actually watching the same games as I am.

By golly man. I think that would work! We've needed at least a good back-up LT for a couple of years. Marcus is missed, not only his play but his enthusiasm. Orakpo is a DE..that's where he should play. Stan Hixon....whatever, he won't be missed. In fact, are we sure he's even still here? Zorn has never been an OC and he has too many other responsibilities to be learning on the job right now. Sounds like a plan C!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

By golly man. I think that would work! We've needed at least a good back-up LT for a couple of years. Marcus is missed, not only his play but his enthusiasm. Orakpo is a DE..that's where he should play. Stan Hixon....whatever, he won't be missed. In fact, are we sure he's even still here? Zorn has never been an OC and he has too many other responsibilities to be learning on the job right now. Sounds like a plan C!

I am emailing it to Sherm today (which Sherm though that's a toughie)

[44Deezel]

Anyone see how the Dolphins moved the pocket around to avoid the pass rush? The commentators on SportsCenter even pointed it out in the highlights this morning. There are ways to scheme against the pass rush when your O-line ain't getting it done.

Screens, bootlegs, draws (RB and QB draws), Wildcat, etc. If we had competent coaching, we could at least compensate a little for the injuries across the O line.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Anyone see how the Dolphins moved the pocket around to avoid the pass rush? The commentators on SportsCenter even pointed it out in the highlights this morning. There are ways to scheme against the pass rush when your O-line ain't getting it done.

Screens, bootlegs, draws (RB and QB draws), Wildcat, etc. If we had competent coaching, we could at least compensate a little for the injuries across the O line.

I was watching that too last night. What it made me think of was that stretch run play in which we gave up a safety. I wonder how good our O line would be at moving the pocket laterally? I'm thinking not so good.

[sportscurmudgeon]

44 Deezel:

What the Dolphins' O-Line did last night was to take the Jets' defense and smash them in the mouth and push them back off the ball several yards on most plays. That is why the Dolphins were successful in running the ball and protecting the passer and running the wildcat.

Coaching can just do so much; you need players on the OL who can come off the ball and drive defenders back three or four or five yards more than once in a drive.

Here is a clue: The Skins OL cannot do that reliably. They could not do that reliably last year either. Two seasons ago, they could not do that reliably. There is a trend there if you look carefully.

Can the coaching for the Redskins be improved? You bet it can. But don't delude yourself into believing that the Skins' OL is actually a bunch of All-Pro Players who are shackeled into mediocrity by stupid coaches. The Skins' OL is actually mediocre and nothing better. AND the logical conclusion from that situation is that the guys on the bench are something less than mediocre.

Look at the Skins OL now position by position and do an honest evaluation:

Which Redskins' starting offensive lineman is better at his position then the three guys who start for the other teams in the NFC East?

Here's a hint:

None of them...

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

I was watching that too last night. What it made me think of was that stretch run play in which we gave up a safety. I wonder how good our O line would be at moving the pocket laterally? I'm thinking not so good.

Agreed, though it might be something to try at practice. We still have issues with guard pulling it seems.

[hooskins]

Yeah big boi williams wouldnt be so great moving across the line like that

[MTK]

Someone sent this to me today:

Neck Stinger: A Look at the Injury Keeping Chris Samuels Out Against the Kansas City Chiefs

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Someone sent this to me today:

Neck Stinger: A Look at the Injury Keeping Chris Samuels Out Against the Kansas City Chiefs

I know that Samuels said it scared him. He said he had to talk to doctors before " he decided what to do". I don't like the sound of that.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I know that Samuels said it scared him. He said he had to talk to doctors before " he decided what to do". I don't like the sound of that.

Yeah, I just heard that. Sounds like he is talking retiring. If that is true, If I was Jim I would quit now.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I know that Samuels said it scared him. He said he had to talk to doctors before " he decided what to do". I don't like the sound of that.

yeah, steinberg was also saying to keep tabs on this one. zorn, i feel for ya.

[JLee9718]

Our front office has made some brilliant moves over the last 10 years and the Giants, Iggles, and Cowboys appreciate every one of them. Portis looks old and slow so he's probably set for another 6 years as the Skins' primary running back.