PFT Rumor - Joe Gibbs is Coming Back

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

the thing is snyder doesn't need gibbs to hire football people. there are guys out there that can do the job and all he has to do is pick up the phone.

But, unless you count Gregg Williams, who was the last Snyder hire in any capacity who actually was capable of doing the role Snyder hired him for?

Tom Cruise?

Gibbs was a no-brainer hire at the time, and he'd be a no-brainer hire in this situation. Plus, it's something Snyder can't screw up, which is valuable.

[skinsfan_nn]

I can only dream of Joe coming back to DC to run this organization! I hope there is some credibility to this rumor.

[SmootSmack]

Yeah unless he just brings in the GM and head coach and lets them take over everything while he has basically a figurehead/occasional consultant role with the title of President.

I can see it now. President Joe Gibbs, GM Doug Williams, Assistant GM Lionel Vital, Head Coach Russ Grimm, Defensive Coordinator Todd Bowles, Offensive Coordinator (insert name that I can't think of right now)

A part of me suspects though this is a story planted by the Redskins themselves to get fans, if only temporarily, a bit excited in the midst of all this negative news

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah unless he just brings in the GM and head coach and lets them take over everything while he has basically a figurehead/occasional consultant role with the title of President.

I can see it now. President Joe Gibbs, GM Doug Williams, Assistant GM Lionel Vital, Head Coach Russ Grimm, Defensive Coordinator Todd Bowles, Offensive Coordinator (insert name that I can't think of right now)

A part of me suspects though this is a story planted by the Redskins themselves to get fans, if only temporarily, a bit excited in the midst of all this negative news

I think this is a trial balloon, so to speak. I think it was leaked on purpose to see what the response would be.

[JoeRedskin]

Given Joe's other commitments, I seriously doubt he is coming back in any type of full time role. My hope, however, is that DS's dinner w/ Joe went something like this:

DS: Joe, my front office is a shambles - I trusted Vinny and he just doesn't have it. I need to assemble a new management team. Will you help me do that?

JG: Dan, I would like to help but I can't run the team for you. If you want, I will help you assemble a solid managment team including someone to be the final arbiter of football decisions.

DS: Okay Joe, that works for me.

[SBXVII]

If true I don't see how this could be a bad thing? Gibbs has said in the past that he would like a front office type of job and get away from the mundane part of everyday coaching. Gibbs is a respected person throughout football who might be able to bring certain people to the table ie; GM or HCing candidates that otherwise might not be available if we kept Cerrato or if DS tried to go out and locate someone himself.

I think he might do a good job at locating a GM to run things and between Gibbs and whoever is GM I think they both would most likely find a decent HC.

None of this has anything to do with what "scheme" we are going to run. Most teams use similar plays anyway no matter what the scheme, they just use different terminology. Plus I would not have a doubt that Gibbs would not have good HCing candidates in mind no matter what scheme they use.

[CultBrennan59]

Gibbs isn't a good talent evaluator anymore, this game has passed him, bring in chris polian, Bill's son and build a team all through the draft, and not free agency and trading draft picks. If Gibbs comes in he should be the team chaplian. He is a better talent evaluator than Vinny though

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Gibbs isn't a good talent evaluator anymore, this game has passed him, bring in chris polian, Bill's son and build a team all through the draft, and not free agency and trading draft picks. If Gibbs comes in he should be the team chaplian. He is a better talent evaluator than Vinny though

You're missing the point. Joe Gibbs would not have a direct hand in choosing the players. He would choose the GM and the head coach. Gibbs is still very good at building sports franchises. He may not be head coach material anymore, but that does not mean he does not have the eye for talent in the front office and for head coaches.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

You're missing the point. Joe Gibbs would not have a direct hand in choosing the players. He would choose the GM and the head coach. Gibbs is still very good at building sports franchises. He may not be head coach material anymore, but that does not mean he does not have the eye for talent in the front office and for head coaches.

I disagree. I think Gibbs is a so-so talent evaluator. And I have no evidence of him building any football franchises? During his first stint or his second stint. Sure, the company line would be Gibbs has no say in who's coming here and who's going. Do we really believe that?

And as far as him better than Vinny, that's not saying much. We don't need someone a little bit better than Vinny. We need a bonafide, kickass, successful GM. Anything short of that, ain't cutting it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I disagree. I think Gibbs is a so-so talent evaluator. And I have no evidence of him building any football franchises? During his first stint or his second stint. Sure, the company line would be Gibbs has no say in who's coming here and who's going. Do we really believe that?

And as far as him better than Vinny, that's not saying much. We don't need someone a little bit better than Vinny. We need a bonafide, kickass, successful GM. Anything short of that, ain't cutting it.

Well, we all do want an elite playoff team year in and year out. And true, in Gibbs I, Bobby Beathard was mostly responsible for finding the right players, as he should have been considering he was the GM. However, I am also applying what Gibbs has done in NASCAR to build championship racing teams. I am speaking on the premise of Gibbs being responsible for finding that GM, which I believe he has the smarts to find that perfect guy for that position, and I also believe someone like Joe Gibbs could find the right coach for us. After all, Joe Gibbs does know a thing or two about coaching in the NFL. And, Joe Gibbs knows a thing or two about being a Super Bowl Champion coach in the NFL. What does Vinny know about picking Head coaches? Apparently, not a lot! It has already been proven that Snyder and Vinny suck as choosing GMs and coaches, why not give someone who has been successful in the NFL a chance to make those choices? It is unfair to say Gibbs doesn't know anything about choosing head coaches or GMs. He hasn't been given the opportunity to do so yet. Let's not tunnel vision solely on player choice during his second stint. I think he also made some right choices during his time here as well.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Gibbs isn't a good talent evaluator anymore, this game has passed him, bring in chris polian, Bill's son and build a team all through the draft, and not free agency and trading draft picks. If Gibbs comes in he should be the team chaplian. He is a better talent evaluator than Vinny though

May have already been stated.....who do you think is going to walk into the Colts office or call Chris Polian and ask him to visit DS at Redskins Park? Please don't think DS is simply going to call GM prospects around the NFL and have them be all giddy about taking the job. I'd bet that if DS called Chris, Chris would take the call....speak with his father if he didn't have any knowledge all ready as to what has been going on and his dad would say "don't take the job". and then Chris would politely decline interviewing for the job.

Now, lets change this story around. Gibbs takes the President of operations job and he calls Chris Polian and lets him know DS is interested in him taking over the team and fixing this mess and that only he(Gibbs) the new GM and new HC would be making all football decisions with out DS.....I have to imagine it would be a more interesting job then simply knowing he was going to the Skins with status quo. Matter of fact I imagine more prospects would be made available when hearing that DS is trying a hands off approach, but willing to spend the money.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

May have already been stated.....who do you think is going to walk into the Colts office or call Chris Polian and ask him to visit DS at Redskins Park? Please don't think DS is simply going to call GM prospects around the NFL and have them be all giddy about taking the job. I'd bet that if DS called Chris, Chris would take the call....speak with his father if he didn't have any knowledge all ready as to what has been going on and his dad would say "don't take the job". and then Chris would politely decline interviewing for the job.

Now, lets change this story around. Gibbs takes the President of operations job and he calls Chris Polian and lets him know DS is interested in him taking over the team and fixing this mess and that only he(Gibbs) the new GM and new HC would be making all football decisions with out DS.....I have to imagine it would be a more interesting job then simply knowing he was going to the Skins with status quo. Matter of fact I imagine more prospects would be made available when hearing that DS is trying a hands off approach, but willing to spend the money.

One problem with your second scenario, that DS wont be involved. That aint gonna happen.

[sandtrapjack]

We reported earlier this month that owner Daniel Snyder still consults with Gibbs, and that the two men had dinner in Charlotte the night before the Redskins' loss to the Panthers.

This would be a good move for Snyder. Although a little wary, if Snyder has been consulting with Gibbs already, where has that taken us thus far?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

This would be a good move for Snyder. Although a little wary, if Snyder has been consulting with Gibbs already, where has that taken us thus far?

I doubt Snyder and VC has been consulting with Gibbs all this time. Gibbs has been mostly centered around his racing team. They just happened to meet for dinner in Charlotte, NC when the 'skins were in town against the Panthers.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

This would be a good move for Snyder. Although a little wary, if Snyder has been consulting with Gibbs already, where has that taken us thus far?

us? haha