Why Are We So Divided On Jason Campbell?

[Trample the Elderly]

Who?

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think we'll make a push for Leinart but fall short.

so doing the same thing we did this past offseason

[rbanerjee23]

The reason he calls all the anti-JC people Snyder fans is because if you think JC is the biggest problem then you will be super happy with Snyder for chucking him and not addressing the bigger problems of the offensive line.

[GTripp0012]

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Trent Edwards? My god, even Jason Campbell has to raise some questions for their management.

I don't know if Ryan Fitzpatrick is quite as obviously not a solution as Todd Collins is, but the situations are definately similar: replace a player who has shown promise in a bad organization for pretty much the next guy to walk through the door.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Trent Edwards? My god, even Jason Campbell has to raise some questions for their management.

I don't know if Ryan Fitzpatrick is quite as obviously not a solution as Todd Collins is, but the situations are definately similar: replace a player who has shown promise in a bad organization for pretty much the next guy to walk through the door.

Another great example of an offense with a bad line. It's poison for a QB.

[SmootSmack]

Trent Edwards was put in a terrible situation this year, but he also hasn't done anything noteworthy. It's been disappointing to say the least. T Jack looked alright yesterday against Seattle though.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

In an effort to narrow the scope of our conversation when it comes to evaluting Jason Campbell and possibly his future as a Washington Redskin, I want to broach this topic from a different angle. His stats are what they are, so there's no debating his production. We're well aware of the woes along the offensive line and the carousel of offensive coordinators and systems since he's been here. Been there, done that. But it's perplexing to me how we all watch the same guy for five years now and yet we're still split down the middle on him.

If I throw out a few names like Philip Rivers or Eli Manning, Donovan McNabb or David Garrard, most fans could tell you with certainty what they like and dislike about those QBs, but there's also consensus whether or not they're good enough to take their teams to the next level. Not so with Campbell and Redskins fans it seems.

Most Skins fans fall into one of two camps when opining about Jason

Campbell: a) He has all the tools and potential, but he needs more help and talent around him and has been handcuffed, to some extent, by the team's offensive philosphy or b) Campbell has had long enough to develop into a great NFL quarterback, but he's been eratic, at best, and displays little leadership and isn't an accurate passer.

It's a very odd relationship. I don't know, maybe this is really an excercise in fan phsycology more than evaluating an NFL quarterback. Finally, let me go on the record saying that if the Redskins decide not to retain Campbell's services next season I think either Oakland or San Francisco could be a likely scenerio.

Imo there are only a handful of situation worse then JC situation here so short of going to Oakland or Buffalo JC will do better wherever he goes.

I think people are split on JC because the jury is still out.
We don't know what JC could do behind a decent OL because he hasn't had one very often during zorns tenure maybe for 10-26 games?

Alll the QBs you mentioned had stability, good to great OL play and veteran established playcallers.

[SmootSmack]

Shanahan traded up in 2006 with the hopes of getting Leinart. Cardinals took him just before the Broncos selected. Leinart was Shanahan's first choice (as I've heard it). Similarly, I've heard that Shanahan remains very intrigued by Leinart.

[GusFrerotte]

THe main points of discussion for the last few seasons about JC have revolved around:

1. The different offensive schemes he has had to learn has hindered his development.

Sorry, but this doesn't wash with me. Learning a system is basically learning a damn playbook and any little nuances that go with it. Sure Saunders had his supposed 700 page montrosity, but you still are supposed to learn it. Zorn's WCO playbook is rather simple compared to that.

2. Inadequate offensive line.

This season you can use this as a legit excuse to why JC isn't producing, but not any season prior to this. The injuries have been horrendous to put it mildly, the guys were old to begin with. You can blame the FO for this sorry state of affairs, but still how many years since the Hogs retired have the Skins been injury free with regards to the O line? Not many to be honest. The NFC East type of ball has kept that going(multiple injuries). From Norv on the team has had to work with a patchup O line during some points of practically every season in the post Gibbs I era.

3. "Happy Feet"

More to it meaning holding on to the ball too long before making a decision what to do with it. Can't expect the line to hold forever if all you are doing is dancing around looking for a WR to throw to. Sorry, but to me this tells me the guy can't scan the entire field yet or make quick decisions. For a guy that has been a starter 3 years this doesn't bode well. Forget the systems, this guy still doesn't have the intangible mechanics down to take us to the promised land.


THese three points could be debated til one got blue in the face, but to me the guy is just what everyone outside of Skins fandom thinks, and that he is an average QB at best. Nothing special. Gibbs considered him a possible steal when we drafted him based on him being on a 12-0 team, which had 2 Heismann candidate RBs leading the way. Another thing. Frerotte was an average QB, and come contract time Casserly had him walk, for good measure. He was average and actually asked for a raise. Say what you will about my man Gus, but he never led a team with a 4-12 record, even during the dire days of the mid 90's, but he had given us all he got and it wasn't enough. Poor Ramsey had a horrible system and a horrendous O line also, but Gibbs didn't take that in consideration when he let PR go. My point is shall we wait til this team gets all the pieces in place only to find out that JC has indeed already peaked? Face it, we are looking at a 3-5 year plan minimum in getting a solid team in place, unless the cap gets killed off permanently. Now that I have said all that, I do not want JC to be let go, but we do need to draft a QB regardless of what one thinks about him. Our depth at QB sucks rocks. Forget Pineapple Jesus or getting Chase Daniel back. I drank the Kool Aid with these guys, but it has worn off. The rest of the NFL did not deem these guys worthy of being drafted, why did we? Chase is short is a big man's game. He seemed to have the poise and nice delivery, but he would get crushed and possibly picked off a lot. Brennan is a 3rd stringer at best, only usable if your other two Qbs died in a plane crash. JC is a decent QB, better than my man Gus, but not by that much. It is time we try a new guy out and see what he can do.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

THese three points could be debated til one got blue in the face, but to me the guy is just what everyone outside of Skins fandom thinks, and that he is an average QB at best. Nothing special. Gibbs considered him a possible steal when we drafted him based on him being on a 12-0 team, which had 2 Heismann candidate RBs leading the way.

i'm very blue in the face

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Another thing. Frerotte was an average QB, and come contract time Casserly had him walk, for good measure. He was average and actually asked for a raise. Say what you will about my man Gus, but he never led a team with a 4-12 record, even during the dire days of the mid 90's, but he had given us all he got and it wasn't enough.

Wanna know something funny, Gus had a 19-26-1 W/L record here. JC is 19-27 right now.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wanna know something funny, Gus had a 19-26-1 W/L record here. JC is 19-27 right now.

I suppose 10 years from now, someone will be on the warpath with a screen name of JCampbell17. He will be the extolling the stats of Campbell, while saying how he never had the OL to make him great.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Wanna know something funny, Gus had a 19-26-1 W/L record here. JC is 19-27 right now.

Interesting stat there.

I think Campbell can definitely be starter material ONLY if he has a solid offensive line to play behind. He is what I would call an average starter in the NFL. He can make plays, has a great arm, and seems very intelligent. However, he doesn't possess that "it" factor like I've seen from someone like Rodgers, Brees, or Rivers. And Rodgers is actually a great example of an elite QB who despite being behind a poor offensive line can make plays for you and win ball games.

[rbanerjee23]

^^^ I agree with this guy but hope it is not a 3-5 year project so long as it is a 1-2 year project. I want DS to bring in a solid football guy (Holmgren, Dungy, Polian, etc.) and let him make the decisions.

And heck, if the football guy thinks that JC is worth keeping/should be let go, screw it, we as fans have much less insight and should support the decision. All this second guessing is fine with VC in charge but it should be the new solid guy's decision

[Redskin Warrior]

If JC continues to play like he played against Dallas what do you do at QB? I'm a JC supporter but I'm all for drafting a QB at least 2nd round down.