Haynesworth Appreciation Thread

[Pocket$ $traight]

See here is the thing. Big Al takes a lot of grief, mainly because of his contract. First of all, at the moment the deal is 4 year deal for $48 mil (41 or 42 guaranteed). So the $100 million dollar man line is getting old and is innacurate. Second, he takes a lot of heat for laying on the ground and getting carted off when, in fact, he is just tired. I agree this looks bad but if you think about it, he is probably helping his team since it is giving the D a rest.

So if you remove the jealousy and inaccurate contract figure and actually look at his play, there would be a lot more positive press for this guy.

From what I have seen he is definitely no "Stubby". This guy is a freak of nature. In my opinion the Giants on 4th and 1 play where he single handedly stopped half of their team may be the single most dominant defensive tackle play I have ever seen. Another plus is that whenever someone on the other team gets jumpy, he ends it. The Atlanta sideline was ganging up on Deangelo until Big Al came along and they parted like the Red Sea. Last night he backed Jacobs up while pushing one of their lineman. This guy is as nasty as it gets and honestly we need 53 guys with a bad attitude like that.

Quit focusing on the contract and watch him play and you will become a fan. For the people who want to cut him because he was signed by Vinny, I don't know what to tell you. You must want to see us have absolutely no chance to win.

[dmek25]

if you knew what kind of player Haynesworth is, then we are more then getting our moneys worth. but if you were expecting 100 tackles, and double digit sacks, that's not him. im glad he is here

[rypper11]

AH plays with more passion than anyone else on the team. Few, if any, tackles in the NFL play more than Haynesworth. He gets pressure on the qb consistently while also stuffing the running game. Other teams look for when he is not in the game and then attempt to run between the tackles. Otherwise they run on the edges.
As for Jacobs, I agree with the earlier post that Jacobs instigated and should have been ejected. AH was defending his teammate. Should he have just watched Hall get pummeled?

[Longtimefan]

Maybe the best thing that could happen for Albert would be a defensive coordinator with a scheme designed to take advantage of what he does best. Blaches' scheme does not provide that and one can clearly see his frustration as a result of it. I'm for keeping the big guy happy in hopes of getting his best effort all the time. His not being happy with the scheme could explain his attitude and his in and out of the lineup. He's not our first DL player that has acused the DC of holding them back. Scheme to fit the player as oposed to insisting the player fit the scheme.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Maybe the best thing that could happen for Albert would be a defensive coordinator with a scheme designed to take advantage of what he does best. Blaches' scheme does not provide that and one can clearly see his frustration as a result of it. I'm for keeping the big guy happy in hopes of getting his best effort all the time. His not being happy with the scheme could explain his attitude and his in and out of the lineup. He's not our first DL player that has acused the DC of holding them back. Scheme to fit the player as oposed to insisting the player fit the scheme.

I agree wholeheartedly that Blache needs to go and we need a DC who will more effectively use Big Al. That said, i'm not at all dissatisfied with what we've seen from Haynesworth this year. Haynesworth plays more snaps than almost any other defensive player. When he's on the field, he gives 100% every play. He doesnt stay on the field and "take plays off" like alot of guys. When he's tired, he comes out for a play or two so a guy with fresh legs can give 100%. Haynesworth has been worth every penny and i do not understand the hate he gets here.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree wholeheartedly that Blache needs to go and we need a DC who will more effectively use Big Al. That said, i'm not at all dissatisfied with what we've seen from Haynesworth this year. Haynesworth plays more snaps than almost any other defensive player. When he's on the field, he gives 100% every play. He doesnt stay on the field and "take plays off" like alot of guys. When he's tired, he comes out for a play or two so a guy with fresh legs can give 100%. Haynesworth has been worth every penny and i do not understand the hate he gets here.

I'm hoping when the new coaching staff is asembled whoever is head trainer will work with him on his conditioning. That should be his number one priority during the offseason, to come into training camp in better physical condition.

The one thing that concerns me about that little altercation in monday nights game is that it seems to always be the same people involved. I would like to see players cease activity once the whistle blows.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I'm hoping when the new coaching staff is asembled whoever is head trainer will work with him on his conditioning. That should be his number one priority during the offseason, to come into training camp in better physical condition.

The one thing that concerns me about that little altercation in monday nights game is that it seems to always be the same people involved. I would like to see players cease activity once the whistle blows.

The new coaching staff just needs to learn to utilize haynesworth (and orakpo and landry, for that matter) more effectively. It completely baffles me how we've got a defensive coordinator that is grossly misusing 27% of his defensive starters. however, considering his mentor is someone who misused lavar arrington and ran him out of time, we shouldn't be surprised.

as far as the altercation goes, i agree, activity should cease when the whistle blows. however, you've got to give haynesworth props for having the desire to defend his teammates. one thing that i think has been grossly lacking on this team under zorn's tenure is a sense of team.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

The new coaching staff just needs to learn to utilize haynesworth (and orakpo and landry, for that matter) more effectively. It completely baffles me how we've got a defensive coordinator that is grossly misusing 27% of his defensive starters. however, considering his mentor is someone who misused lavar arrington and ran him out of time, we shouldn't be surprised.

as far as the altercation goes, i agree, activity should cease when the whistle blows. however, you've got to give haynesworth props for having the desire to defend his teammates. one thing that i think has been grossly lacking on this team under zorn's tenure is a sense of team.

I agree, and the principle I alluded to in reference to the altercation is not limited in scope, it should be applied at all times in every game throughout the league.

[flashalexb]

Haynesworth playing 70% of the time is a bargain when you consider all of the other $100 million dollars players out there (all quarterbacks) who essentially take a play off every time they hand the ball off to a running back and that happens at least 40% of their playing time.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by flashalexb

Haynesworth playing 70% of the time is a bargain when you consider all of the other $100 million dollars players out there (all quarterbacks) who essentially take a play off every time they hand the ball off to a running back and that happens at least 40% of their playing time.

How 'bout Nate Clements signed by the 49ers a couple of years ago? That's still considered a monster contract and he's been less than stellar and oft injured.

[SmootSmack]

Haynesworth plays 70+% of his defense's snaps, takes a breather on the sideline and he's a wimp...Riggins played 70+% of his offense's snaps (I'm guessing), sucks down oxygen every time he sat on the sidelines and he's a warrior

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Haynesworth plays 70+% of his defense's snaps, takes a breather on the sideline and he's a wimp...Riggins played 70+% of his offense's snaps (I'm guessing), sucks down oxygen every time he sat on the sidelines and he's a warrior

where are you all finding this stat that AH plays 70+% of the defensive snaps? (im not being rhetorical or contrite, i would honestly like to know).

i just dont see how that is possible since he has already missed 2-3 entire games this year.

and for the record, i love what AH brings and all that good jazz but i feel criticsm of his conditioning is justified if a fan wants to hold that opinion which i do to a small degree.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

where are you all finding this stat that AH plays 70+% of the defensive snaps? (im not being rhetorical or contrite, i would honestly like to know).

i just dont see how that is possible since he has already missed 2-3 entire games this year.

and for the record, i love what AH brings and all that good jazz but i feel criticsm of his conditioning is justified if a fan wants to hold that opinion which i do to a small degree.

You can't compare the endurance of a 350 lb defenisve tackle to a 180 lb cornerback. The cornerback is going to have much more endurance. But if he goes full speed at two 350lb offensive linemen, he's going to get destroyed. i think people's expectations for a Haynesworth are completely unrealistic.

If you're going to criticize his conditioning , please give us something to compare him to. Please show me a 350 lb defensive takle who is better "conditioned" than Haynesworth. Name one. Just one. And if you can find one, please share their stats with us. Please.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

You can't compare the endurance of a 350 lb defenisve tackle to a 180 lb cornerback. The cornerback is going to have much more endurance. But if he goes full speed at two 350lb offensive linemen, he's going to get destroyed. i think people's expectations for a Haynesworth are completely unrealistic.

If you're going to criticize his conditioning , please give us something to compare him to. Please show me a 350 lb defensive takle who is better "conditioned" than Haynesworth. Name one. Just one. And if you can find one, please share their stats with us. Please.

BHA you just dont get it. Im saying AH is a great player but i dont think a fan mentioning or questioning his conditioning makes them stupid.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

BHA you just dont get it. Im saying AH is a great player but i dont think a fan mentioning or questioning his conditioning makes them stupid.

not stupid. ignorant. there's a difference.