Defensive Coordinator for 2010

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

GRAY as Defensive Cordinator!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I totaly disagree with that one!!!! Unloyal POS is what he is. Just in MHO. Keep the Rats off the New SHip!!!

question, where should any coach's loyalty lay? to the head coach or to the team. If a HC told a position coach to do something particularly bad for the team, should that position coach do it to stay loyal to the HC, or look at the team's best interest. I don't know Jerry Grays motivations, but by the time he was interviewed it was pretty clear that JZ was not staying around, also clear that the best thing for the team was to be prepared to name the next coach asap. I don't get the unloyal pos talk, and I think it's sad that people are labeling him anything other than a team guy.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

We need new coaches who don't have (misplaced) loyalties to any of the players. its the only way to ensure the best players start.

[diehardskin2982]

^ I agree, why would be loyal to a guy you only met 2 years ago.

[CrustyRedskin]

I just get a bad vibe from him (interviews, news clips tec.). Its just my opinion. I've been in the coaching buisness for 20 years and he reminds me of some bad run-ins I had with poor coaches. And I have a hard time seeing where Jim Zorn told him to do something that wasnt in the teams interest.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

I just get a bad vibe from him (interviews, news clips tec.). Its just my opinion. I've been in the coaching buisness for 20 years and he reminds me of some bad run-ins I had with poor coaches. And I have a hard time seeing where Jim Zorn told him to do something that wasnt in the teams interest.

I was not saying that Zorn had. Just trying to make the point that the loyalty lies to the team, not to the head coach.

[Player_HTTR]

I don't care if Gray is loyal or not. Our Secondary can't tackle, cover, or catch. Cover may be a scheme issue but tackling and holding onto the ball when it hits your hands is a coaching issue when it has gone on as long as it has.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

I don't care if Gray is loyal or not. Our Secondary can't tackle, cover, or catch. Cover may be a scheme issue but tackling and holding onto the ball when it hits your hands is a coaching issue when it has gone on as long as it has.

Maybe he's following orders from Blache as to what scheme to run or player position?

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Maybe he's following orders from Blache as to what scheme to run or player position?

I really think part of it was scheme, our Zones had more holes than Spongebob, but the other two are inexcusable.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

I really think part of it was scheme, our Zones had more holes than Spongebob, but the other two are inexcusable.

We know Smoot, Landry and Hall are not exactly the worlds best tacklers and should work on it.

[mlmdub130]

on news 4 they just said a few coaches might stay around and they mentioned gray as d cordinator. it made me cry on the inside a little, i really hope we get zimmer

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

on news 4 they just said a few coaches might stay around and they mentioned gray as d cordinator. it made me cry on the inside a little, i really hope we get zimmer

How does a Gray defense play?

[53Fan]

Doc Walker was on WPL today and endorsed Gray. He liked the idea of there being less of a transition to a different defense with Gray in charge. Gray or Zimmer would be an improvement IMO.

[SBXVII]

#1. I must have missed some recent news that has eluded to the fact that Gray is unloyal. Are you guys refering to his interview and Zorn? I'll ask this..... if it is...... how do you guys know positively for sure that Gray didn't go to Zorn to run it by him and with Zorn knowing he was out the door, didn't give his approval to go to the interview?

Just because the media didn't talk about it, or it has never been mentioned does not mean it didn't happen.

#2. Why do people think he's a great candidate? I mean he has been on this team for 6yrs and has not made our CB position any better. The excuses keep piling up for him.... "Oh it was the scheme he had to work with" - If it was the Scheme why then do we want to keep him cause he's going to run the same crappy scheme. Why not change to a whole new phylosophy in regards to the 4-3 if thats what they want to stay with or change to another scheme.

#3. He does crappy interviews, sometimes rude when questions were asked.

Lets move on. Lets get a fresh start. Bring someone in that will not pick favorites or take sides. When you have cancer you have to cut it all out. Not leave a little in hopes it will work out. It won't.

[skinsnut]

This blog link suggests that Zimmer is it...obviously bad writing

Shanahan Officially In; 3 Reasons the Redskins' Are a Franchise*Again - Hogs Haven

"The incoming regime is an impressive quartet that Dan Snyder deserves props for pulling off. Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike Zimmer. I'm not renewing my season tickets just yet, but this Redskins team will be competitive again in a couple years, which is no doubt something to be optimistic about."


In any case, I don't want Gray...just because he used to be a D coordinator does not automatically make him good. The secondary took a step back this year...poor tackling...that is his job to teach, Carlos Rodgers regressed under Gray too, Landry had regressed heavily...even Smoot..none of the young guys have developed either...You guys throw our WR Coach Hixon under the bus...what is the love affair with Gray...sure he did ok in Buffalo...but after he was left to his own devices, the d got worse...especially his last year, when he was fired....and throw that continuity crap in the trash...do you really want 4-12 to continue?

Zimmer on the other hand has done such an amazing job that he may get a head coach role...if we can get him as a D coordinator it would be a score on that basis alone....my concern is this...his wife just died suddenly less than 3 months ago...he has 3 girls...If I were him, there is no way I'd take on a head coach job and essentially abandon my girls when they need me the most.
The best thing for him is to stay put in cincinnati...if he comes here great, but that doesn't mean his head will be in the game...his family has just been devestated...I just don't know if that would be good for the Skins.

I don't know much about Haslett but I do know he was head coach of the year and had good defenses...that if far superior to anything Gray has accomplished.

Ask yourself this question.
Are you sure Gray is better than Blache?
I am not.

We have to be pretty picky to change D coordinators when we were top 10 in the league...only 9 other guys did better....Zimmer is one of them...the rest are not available or are big question marks.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

This blog link suggests that Zimmer is it...obviously bad writing

Shanahan Officially In; 3 Reasons the Redskins' Are a Franchise*Again - Hogs Haven

"The incoming regime is an impressive quartet that Dan Snyder deserves props for pulling off. Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, and Mike Zimmer. I'm not renewing my season tickets just yet, but this Redskins team will be competitive again in a couple years, which is no doubt something to be optimistic about."


In any case, I don't want Gray...just because he used to be a D coordinator does not automatically make him good. The secondary took a step back this year...poor tackling...that is his job to teach, Carlos Rodgers regressed under Gray too, Landry had regressed heavily...even Smoot..none of the young guys have developed either...You guys throw our WR Coach Hixon under the bus...what is the love affair with Gray...sure he did ok in Buffalo...but after he was left to his own devices, the d got worse...especially his last year, when he was fired....and throw that continuity crap in the trash...do you really want 4-12 to continue?

Zimmer on the other hand has done such an amazing job that he may get a head coach role...if we can get him as a D coordinator it would be a score on that basis alone....my concern is this...his wife just died suddenly less than 3 months ago...he has 3 girls...If I were him, there is no way I'd take on a head coach job and essentially abandon my girls when they need me the most.
The best thing for him is to stay put in cincinnati...if he comes here great, but that doesn't mean his head will be in the game...his family has just been devestated...I just don't know if that would be good for the Skins.

I don't know much about Haslett but I do know he was head coach of the year and had good defenses...that if far superior to anything Gray has accomplished.

Ask yourself this question.
Are you sure Gray is better than Blache?
I am not.

We have to be pretty picky to change D coordinators when we were top 10 in the league...only 9 other guys did better....Zimmer is one of them...the rest are not available or are big question marks.

I don't know where this guy gets his info. I'm sure Mike Zimmer has been focused on preparing for the Jets, not making a lateral move from Cincy to Washington. I'd love to have him, but it's pretty assumptive to speak of him like he's already wearing the B&G.