The Tempered Expectations Thread

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The proof will be in the pudding.

There's pudding too!!! Awesome.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

There's pudding too!!! Awesome.

Oh yeah... pie and pudding. It's what we're good for here.

I like old school butterscotch pudding, hell even some good ol' rice is good too.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Oh yeah... pie and pudding. It's what we're good for here.

I like old school butterscotch pudding, hell even some good ol' rice is good too.

I was just about to suggest butterscotch or rice but didn't want to continue the hijack. You sir, have fine taste in pudding.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Agreed. Trying to dissect things right now is a little pointless (but of course what else are we here for?). The proof will be in the pudding.

As always, you're the good voice of reasoning.

[firstdown]

Think all of this came about from some stupid truck with an $1,800 sign on the back of it.

[SkinEmAll]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Think all of this came about from some stupid truck with an $1,800 sign on the back of it.

Funny!!

[FRPLG]

Let's take at face value that he's realized he needs to back away and not be so involved with the team and players. I can definitely buy that. The question is whether he's made a real decision to change or whether this is his way of trying to appease fans. If he's really trying to change then will he be able to maintain the new approach and see it through to fruition or not? If it's just an appeasement then nothing will really change all that much in the long run and we're screwed.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Let's take at face value that he's realized he needs to back away and not be so involved with the team and players. I can definitely buy that. The question is whether he's made a real decision to change or whether this is his way of trying to appease fans. If he's really trying to change then will he be able to maintain the new approach and see it through to fruition or not? If it's just an appeasement then nothing will really change all that much in the long run and we're screwed.

I just keep coming back to the thought that Allen and Shanahan wouldn't be here if they weren't given the keys and told to run with it. Shanahan most of all. Reading up on him the last couple of days the guy is definitely a control freak, but he's also extremely bright. Mark Schlereth seems to think Shanahan has learned his lesson from Denver in regard to personnel and will lean more on Allen to help him out in that area.

"Absolutely, I think it's going to work. He's a great football coach. Mike Shanahan's a very intelligent guy. He will grind, he's a great football coach, but he's very smart and he understands why he's no longer the head coach of the Denver Broncos. It's because of the personnel decisions. He made personnel decisions both in the draft and also as far as free agency is concerned that didn't work out. So he understands that aspect of it. Mike Shanahan, there's no question in my mind -- a Hall of Fame caliber coach, just not a Hall of Fame personnel guy. So I think he will defer in a lot of those scenarios to his general manager. They will work as a team. But make no bones about it, he can flat coach a football team. He knows this game inside and out."

link: Mark Schlereth On The Shanahan Hire

Funny stuff about Schlereth here too

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I just keep coming back to the thought that Allen and Shanahan wouldn't be here if they weren't given the keys and told to run with it. Shanahan most of all. Reading up on him the last couple of days the guy is definitely a control freak, but he's also extremely bright. Mark Schlereth seems to think Shanahan has learned his lesson from Denver in regard to personnel and will lean more on Allen to help him out in that area.

Me too. Although I am skeptical of Snyder, Shanny simply would not be here unless something significant had changed.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I just keep coming back to the thought that Allen and Shanahan wouldn't be here if they weren't given the keys and told to run with it. Shanahan most of all. Reading up on him the last couple of days the guy is definitely a control freak, but he's also extremely bright. Mark Schlereth seems to think Shanahan has learned his lesson from Denver in regard to personnel and will lean more on Allen to help him out in that area.

I think that's the thing some people are wondering about that, word "defer". There are those who do not seem to think Allen"s track record in the area where Shanahan may need help is any better than his. (hence the suggestion of still another piece being needed).

Here's hoping that Shanahan can pull off something that at least six other coaches have tried and failed at when it comes to winning super bowls with one team and being able to dupllicate it with another. Vince Lombardi, Dick Vermiel, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Holmgren and Joe Gibbs twice in the same city.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I think that's the thing some people are wondering about that, word "defer". There are those who do not seem to think Allen"s track record in the area where Shanahan may need help is any better than his. (hence the suggestion of still another piece being needed).

Here's hoping that Shanahan can pull off something that at least six other coaches have tried and failed at when it comes to winning super bowls with one team and being able to dupllicate it with another. Vince Lombardi, Dick Vermiel, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Holmgren and Joe Gibbs twice in the same city.

Nice post. 100% agree.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I think that's the thing some people are wondering about that, word "defer". There are those who do not seem to think Allen"s track record in the area where Shanahan may need help is any better than his. (hence the suggestion of still another piece being needed).

Here's hoping that Shanahan can pull off something that at least six other coaches have tried and failed at when it comes to winning super bowls with one team and being able to dupllicate it with another. Vince Lombardi, Dick Vermiel, Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, Mike Holmgren and Joe Gibbs twice in the same city.

That's an excellent point and one several here have brought up. JLC indicated in a blog post a couple weeks ago that Shanahan and Allen were planning to bring in someone like Eric DeCosta to help out in the personnel department. I really think their doing so is crucial to the team's success.

[MTK]

Gibbs also gave Shanahan the ok saying that Snyder would step back. So Snyder has obviously taken a backseat before.

[Longtimefan]

If we do not up-grade our personnel department, when it comes to the draft and free agency we'll have to rely heavily on our scouting department. I'm not so sure that's a good thing.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

If we do not up-grade our personnel department, when it comes to the draft and free agency we'll have to rely heavily on our scouting department. I'm not so sure that's a good thing.

I'd imagine Jim and/or Jeff Goodman will be added in the next few weeks, if not days, to the front office. Jim Goodman will probably replace Scott Campbell.