Time to Build an Offensive Line

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by redskin4n

I would prefer:

LT: Russel Okung
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Casey Rabach (We surround him with talent)
RG: Stephen Neal (Free Agency)
RT: Levi Jones

This sounds great, except for having Edwin Williams under C and Rabach as a backup.

[WaldSkins]

How come when Heyer doesn't practice it's ok but when Portis doesn't everyone jumps all over him?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

How come when Heyer doesn't practice it's ok but when Portis doesn't everyone jumps all over him?

You're not serious right? Portis doesn't even practice if he feels phantom menstrual cramps coming on.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You're not serious right? Portis doesn't even practice if he feels phantom menstrual cramps coming on.

Well Portis is possibly a has-been. Heyer is a never been.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You're not serious right? Portis doesn't even practice if he feels phantom menstrual cramps coming on.

[Monkeydad]

Yeah, surrounding Rabach with talent won't help him snap in the shotgun or keep him from stupid goalline penalties.

Edwin should start.

[diehardskin2982]

LT: Russel Okung
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Kevin Mawae/ Matt Tennant
RG: Mike Williams/Edwin Williams
RT: Mike Iupati

[diehardskin2982]

or
LT: Levi Jones
LG: Derrick Dockery
C: Matt Tennant
RG: Mike Iupati
RT: Bryan Bulaga

Young but Talented

[GridIron26]

Do anyone know whether if Shanahan wants to retain Levi Jones? I don't think he's athleticism enough to play block zone, but once again, we are limited with T choices.. Especially if Shanahan really wants to draft a QB with the first pick..

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So once again I will create thread on a good subject that I'm sure will get under 30 responses since it doesn't involve Campbell, a rookie QB, or some of the other overused topics people like to debate ad nauseam.

With that being said, here is your challenge. You are the GM (or Shanahan), how do you build the Redskins offensive line? Who do you keep? Who do you cut? Who would you draft? And which free agent would you go after?

Now, no crazy Madden-esque trades. Also, remember if you have an RFA in mind, that means that you trading picks for them (i.e. San Diego's tackle Marcus McNeill). And of course, if someone is under contract, well I say it's not even worth mentioning them.

Oh and don't just answer with the phrase "Shanahan can build an offensive line with just about anyone."

Damnit Ruhskins, I wasn't even going to worry about discussing real issues until the middle of March. Look what you're doing to my schedule!!!111!!

First of all, I think we have to leverage the 4th overall pick into one of three franchise left tackles. Guys who can actually play the position are in crazy high demand, and if you wait until the second round, you get a guy who might end up being Tony Ugoh or Duane Brown. This seems like the type of player that Bruce Campbell might be. A fringe LT prospect who should make a good RT. But there are also a lot of really interesting RTs in this draft that, once we nail down the LT position (or at least we think we do) opens up the rest of the draft to address other spot on our line at a leisurely pace.

I have Anthony Davis and Russell Okung 1 and 1a at LT on my draft board. I'm more worried about Brian Bulaga at that position. One of the advantages of picking in the top five is that, even if Bulaga is the best prospect, you don't have to worry about taking him that high if the marginal value between him and say, Charles Brown, or my guy Trent Williams, or even linemate Kyle Calloway isn't really all that great.

If it was me, I would take Okung. I can see the allure of Davis, however. He's perhaps more of a natural athlete, even if he's more raw as a lineman. If one's gone, I'd take the other. I don't think either is as good as Michael Oher, but then again, there isn't a pass rusher in this draft as strong as Orakpo.

I'm very skeptical to say that we will pick at 37 in the second round. I think we'll either trade up for a quarterback/defensive stud, or down for a receiver/safety or for value. If we stay there, I like trying to grab an elite interior lineman if Iupati or Pouncey is there, or a very good right tackle prospect if they aren't.

In the 4th round, I would take Matt Tennant if he falls that far, but there's also a good chance that we might use this pick to trade up from the second round back to the bottom of the first. After the fourth round, we're getting into a strict BPA range. Developmental tackles on the cheap are always fun (Sam Young?), but adding a guard tends to offer better long term prospects, particularly if we solidify the tackle situation in the early rounds.

I also want to sign Casey Wiegmann to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal if we don't land Pouncey or Tennant.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Damnit Ruhskins, I wasn't even going to worry about discussing real issues until the middle of March. Look what you're doing to my schedule!!!

First of all, I think we have to leverage the 4th overall pick into one of three franchise left tackles. Guys who can actually play the position are in crazy high demand, and if you wait until the second round, you get a guy who might end up being Tony Ugoh or Duane Brown. This seems like the type of player that Bruce Campbell might be. A fringe LT prospect who should make a good RT. But there are also a lot of really interesting RTs in this draft that, once we nail down the LT position (or at least we think we do) opens up the rest of the draft to address other spot on our line at a leisurely pace.

I have Anthony Davis and Russell Okung 1 and 1a at LT on my draft board. I'm more worried about Brian Bulaga at that position. One of the advantages of picking in the top five is that, even if Bulaga is the best prospect, you don't have to worry about taking him that high if the marginal value between him and say, Charles Brown, or my guy Trent Williams, or even linemate Kyle Calloway isn't really all that great.

If it was me, I would take Okung. I can see the allure of Davis, however. He's perhaps more of a natural athlete, even if he's more raw as a lineman. If one's gone, I'd take the other. I don't think either is as good as Michael Oher, but then again, there isn't a pass rusher in this draft as strong as Orakpo.

I'm very skeptical to say that we will pick at 37 in the second round. I think we'll either trade up for a quarterback/defensive stud, or down for a receiver/safety or for value. If we stay there, I like trying to grab an elite interior lineman if Iupati or Pouncey is there, or a very good right tackle prospect if they aren't.

In the 4th round, I would take Matt Tennant if he falls that far, but there's also a good chance that we might use this pick to trade up from the second round back to the bottom of the first. After the fourth round, we're getting into a strict BPA range. Developmental tackles on the cheap are always fun (Sam Young?), but adding a guard tends to offer better long term prospects, particularly if we solidify the tackle situation in the early rounds.

I also want to sign Casey Wiegmann to a 1 year, $1.5 million deal if we don't land Pouncey or Tennant.

Sorry for putting you ahead of schedule Tripp. LOL. It's just that I was getting of sick of everyone breaking down the the whole drafting a QB like they were John Clayton, meanwhile when anyone would mention the offensive line the typical response is "oh, Shanhan can build an offensive line with just about anyone."

In regards to your post, when looking at both Okung and Davis, if we drafted Davis could he start at LT right away?

Also, any thoughts on Bruce Campbell? Could he be available later in the first round if we were somehow to trade down from the 4th spot?

[CultBrennan59]

LT: Charles Brown USC(2nd round), Levi Jones
LG: Dockery, Ben Hamilton, Chester Pitts (FA)
C: Matt Tennant (4th round), Ben Hamilton, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger
RG: Chris Kuper, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger, Shelly Smith (7th round pick)
RT: Jason Fox (5th round pick), Stephon Heyer, Tony Pashos

Draft Bradford, If he's gone, get Okung in the first and Maurkice Pouncey in the second, and mitch petrus in the fourth.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

LT: Charles Brown USC(2nd round), Levi Jones
LG: Dockery, Ben Hamilton, Chester Pitts (FA)
C: Matt Tennant (4th round), Ben Hamilton, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger
RG: Chris Kuper, Edwin Williams, Kory Litchenstreiger, Shelly Smith (7th round pick)
RT: Jason Fox (5th round pick), Stephon Heyer, Tony Pashos

Draft Bradford, If he's gone, get Okung in the first and Maurkice Pouncey in the second, and mitch petrus in the fourth.

So in this scenario, what would you give Denver to get Kuper? He's an RFA, and will likely be tendered by McD.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So in this scenario, what would you give Denver to get Kuper? He's an RFA, and will likely be tendered by McD.

Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Supposedly McDaniels won't retain him/tender him, because he wants bigger OLineman.

From the Denver Post's Mike Klis.

I believe Kuper will be back. Yes, McDaniels wants to strengthen his offensive interior line. And yes, Kuper, as a right guard, is an interior lineman who was drafted by the Broncos in 2006 as a prototype zone blocker. But Kuper is too young, too talented, too competitive, and even as a restricted free agent, too inexpensive to let go. Chris Kupers are simply too difficult to find to let go.

Any marquee RFA is extremely likely to be tendered or signed to a new contract by their team. This is why I criticize the QB-first camp, as much as Shanny can build an offensive line, he's going to have to do it with older and less talented players.

Originally Posted by budw38

We don't need no stinkin linemen !!!!!!

Nice!