Pluses and Minuses: Bills vs Redskins

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Oh yeah no doubt there are similarities. I was just making the point there's no melding of systems like we saw with Gibbs/Saunders or Zorn's passing game mixed with Gibbs' running game.

Funny how HC's can come from the same coaching tree and yet have totally different looking styles. I so bad want to know which offense McNabb likes batter this one or his old Eagles. I know the answer would be politically correct though and he most likely would say this one.

I look at Reids scheme and it looks old and tired and slow sometimes. It almost does not look like anything that came out of San Fran. I look at Holmgrens and it too looks slow sometimes but at times with the Seahawks it looked similar to Shanahan's which looks fast to me. I remember yrs ago people talking about the WCO supposed to be fast and needing smaller OL to get it done. Reid loves his big fat slow lineman.

[firstdown]

For the first preseason game I was pretty happy with the way we played across the board. I actually think its good for players to make mistakes in preseason because they can learn from them. I do get mad at lazy uninspired play which I did not see Friday night.

[SmootSmack]

Plus:

London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

Minus:

Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Plus:

London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

Minus:

Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker

Taking up space is pretty much his job though. If he's penetrating much at NT, something's not right.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Taking up space is pretty much his job though. If he's penetrating much at NT, something's not right.

To clarify, meant he takes up space as in he was just there. But I didn't really notice him either penetrating or helping others (a la Haynesworth and Perry Riley). I also saw him get pushed back a bit. Overall, not totally impressed. Still early though

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Plus:

London Fletcher: So glad I was wrong about going after him. It's like he's been playing ILB in the 3-4 his whole career. Very lucky to have him on our team

Ryan Torain: He runs too high? So did Eric Dickerson. Anyhow, happy to see him run well, otherwise all my praise of him would have been for naught. More importantly though, nice to see him back on the field less than two years after tearing his ACL.

Minus:

Chad Rinehart: So sad I was wrong about drafting him. Maybe he's just not totally healthy yet, but while everyone talks about cutting Kelly and whether he was a busted draft pick; I'm more concerned with Rinehart. Not sure there's a place for him on this roster

Maake: Didn't seem to get much penetration at DT. He takes up space, but wasn't much of a difference maker

SS.... Who is the player Fletcher is referring too?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

SS.... Who is the player Fletcher is referring too?

What?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What?

The first line of your post sounds like a quote from London Fletcher, I'm curious as to what player he was talking about.

[aceinthehouse]

Hi everyone...1st post here.

Pluses: Loved how we were able to score TD's in the redzone on the 1st and 2nd teams...
Tackling seems to be much better than last season already...
O-line played exceptional compared to last season....
Not committing turnovers...Keep it up guys!

Minuses: Seems some players were hesitant on what they were supposed to do on Defense such as A.Carter. They were reacting to the offense instead of Attacking,like this Defense is designed to do....
Did not like that Rookie getting 5 steps or more on Carlos Rogers on that deep incomplete pass. He does that against Dallas,Colts or teams with very good QB's and so on and it's 6....Carlos has and always has scared me back there,but Hall played very well....
I have no Minuses for the Offense. It was like watching the Colts in a Redskins uniform compared to the last 4 or 5 years imo...

BTW...Glad to be here guys and look forward to having great discussions and debates with my fellow Redskins fans.

ace

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What?

I've come to the conclusion this was your very own quote. Sorry for the misunderstanding what you intended. I just never remember you having any form of opposition to Fletcher.

[tryfuhl]

Kelly won't practice tomorrow.. chances "very very slim" that he plays against Ravens

"Obviously, if he can't practice, he can't show me anything"

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Kelly won't practice tomorrow.. chances "very very slim" that he plays against Ravens

"Obviously, if he can't practice, he can't show me anything"

I feel kinda bad for the guy. He seems like a good kid but his body just keeps letting him down.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I feel kinda bad for the guy. He seems like a good kid but his body just keeps letting him down.

Certain factors make a hamstring injury more likely. Age, weight, flexibility and bad running stride can all cause a hamstring injury. Previous hamstring injuries make another occurrence highly likely as well. Performing explosive movements when your muscles are not prepared can rupture the muscle fibers and cause a major hamstring injury.
To some extent this injury occurs due to poor flexibilty training and poor warm up practices. To some extent this is a preventable injury, especially if you have a history of this injury, you should be prepared.
Regardless how 'Great his hands are' and all of his other 'awesome' strengths (which I have not seen), if his body fails him this much at his young age, maybe being a professional athlete is not in his future.
It is not in our best interest to have a WR on our roster that has this chronic problem.
To some extent this is lack of preparation.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Certain factors make a hamstring injury more likely. Age, weight, flexibility and bad running stride can all cause a hamstring injury. Previous hamstring injuries make another occurrence highly likely as well. Performing explosive movements when your muscles are not prepared can rupture the muscle fibers and cause a major hamstring injury.
To some extent this injury occurs due to poor flexibilty training and poor warm up practices. To some extent this is a preventable injury, especially if you have a history of this injury, you should be prepared.
Regardless how 'Great his hands are' and all of his other 'awesome' strengths (which I have not seen), if his body fails him this much at his young age, maybe being a professional athlete is not in his future.
It is not in our best interest to have a WR on our roster that has this chronic problem.
To some extent this is lack of preparation.

well we really don't know how kelly prepares for the season. we're not at redskin park everyday. i remember gary clark always had hamstring problems yet he was always there on sunday.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

well we really don't know how kelly prepares for the season. we're not at redskin park everyday. i remember gary clark always had hamstring problems yet he was always there on sunday.

Well we know both Kelly and Thomas both failed their rookie year training camp fitness test. For WR's or any skill position player to fail a fitness test is very unusual and telling.
There is a pattern here o flack preparation and their inability to become starters should not be a huge surprise. It seems at times in the past they were lacking in fight and desire.
They came in thinking they were already stars. Their own web sights, music videos, ego issues.
I have to give Thomas some credit though, during the long punt return for TD by mity mite, Thomas made a key block. He was physical and it was the first time he ever really impressed me.
The TD Thomas had later in the game was against Bills scrubs, I guess all Bills are scrubs to a certain extent, but it was against 2nd or 3rd team dbs.