More Haynesworth Drama? Big Al Sounds Off After Ravens Game

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Don't go comparing Fat Albert to Riggo. Late in Riggins' career when his back was shot, he'd spend the early part of the week in traction, but he answered the bell on Sundays and ALWAYS played hard. Haynesworth CLEARLY takes plays off, and has done so his entire career. I can't think of a more talented D-lineman that has produced so little aside from the two seasons leading up to his free agency.

AH has showed up and he isn't sitting out this season. AH isn't at the end of his career so we cant assume how will handle a true injury like that. I cant say he takes off plays. Does he flop around on the ground? Yes. Is he selfish? Yes, but he is a beast on the field and he makes teams adjust for him. If just him being unconditioned last season means he took plays off then that goes to a piss poor run orginazation last year.

We dont know the truth of his illness but if he really does have what's being reported then how cant you compare them. They are the same type of people just diffrent times.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.

Can't put 100% of the blame to AH. Why do I say something like that? Our culture is all about me me me and celebrity to the nth degree. THese guys thrive on it, some more than what they do on the field. Also, the old protestant work ethic is for the most part killed off. The owners and the different pro sports leagues love this crap though( drama addicts), even if they seem to hate it publicly. It generates hype, and increases ticket sales, so this stuff is going to be part of the game for some time. In fact the hype is bigger than the game anymore, which is sad. Look at the SB anymore. Two full weeks of total BS hype and worthless stories for the most part, just to promote a game that is usually slow moving and marred with yellow flags so that the NFL and the bookies get the desired result.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

This ass clown would have never made it in the old school football days. the NFL has definitely gotten soft and unfortunately the evolution of the game has breeded the Irvins, Keyshawns and TO's of the world. None of these so called "players" would have gotten away with their shenanigans on a team with say, a Jim Brown or Dick Butkus or John Riggins or Larry Czonka or Conrad Dobler to name a few. Haynesworth represents everything negative about professional sports accross the board. His sense of entitlement, imagined sense of persecution and subsequent media tirades are the direct result of an overpaid, self important, propped up baby. No ONE player is worth putting up with all the baggage he brings. Just another major blunder left over from the Cerrato years. It's a big shit sandwich and the Washington Redskins are gonna have to take a couple of big ole bites.

THANK YOU. Doubt those old legends would be defending him, and saying, "Oh but he's a tough guy who stands up for his teammates." What a freaking joke.

[CRedskinsRule]

what is RHABDOMYOLYSIS? ESPN text says AH has that condition.

[CRedskinsRule]

To answer my own question:
From medicinenet

What is rhabdomyolysis?

Rhabdomyolysis (RAB-DOE-MY-O-LIE-SIS) is the rapid destruction of skeletal muscle resulting in leakage into the urine of the muscle protein myoglobin.

What causes rhabdomyolysis?

Rhabdomyolysis has many causes. Some of the common ones include:

* muscle trauma or crush injury,

...
* prolonged lying down on the ground ...

come on, you can't tell me there aren't a Million and one jokes forming just from that one line

[SirClintonPortis]

Dhall's one of the few who'd vouch for Albert mainly because he was the only one who did anything to come to his aid in the Atlanta game last year, and Albert wasn't the only one who deserved a 15 yard personal foul penalty in that scrum.

[SirClintonPortis]

If there's a case for the massive modularity hypothesis, this thread can help as a case study.

[GusFrerotte]

Well in the good old days, the game was a game, now it is a business trying to generate revenue, with the added virus of the cult of celebrity and hype. Like I mentioned before, the good ole Protestant work ethic has been pretty much wiped out to boot. Pick your poison. The salaries and money are so out of this world you have athletes just going after the $$$$$$$$, and since the bulk of the salaries are guaranteed money, not much incentive to bust ass. That is why guys on their second or even third contracts usually have a big decline in production. The AH situation could be salvaged, but AH and MS need to come to terms and end the drama. IF AH can beat this affliction of his and stay healthy and produce this all will die away. This drama didn't have to get to the point of being a circus though.

[CRedskinsRule]

I thought that AH would come around, and that he was just "expressing himself" (use air quotes for full effect). But now I have no idea how this whole thing plays out. I don't see a trade as being in the best interests of the Skins, and AH definitely doesn't sound like he is getting with the program.
Here is a Fanhouse interview with Shanny:
Mike Shanahan Not Taking Albert Haynesworth's Excuses -- NFL FanHouse

On Sunday afternoon, Redskins coach Mike Shanahan had his say.

"One thing for sure that is clear to me is that Albert has gotten away in the past with playing without practicing,'' Shanahan said. "That will not happen under this regime. If he's going to play, he's going to practice, and that is the same with every player here. The days of him playing without practicing are over. And that, to me, says it all.''

And as far as the condition that Haynesworth is reported to possibly have -- rhabdomyolysis -- that concerns muscle fiber damage? Shanahan said: "Not aware of that.''

[Lotus]

Rhabdomyolysis occurs when you work out in extreme heat without being in shape. Notice: without being in shape.

So AH's remarks, recontextualized, were: "Why did Shanny call it a headache when I have rhabdomyolysis, which you get from not being in shape. Why didn't he tell everyone that I'm out-of-shape? But I didn't have it so bad that I missed the game. So what I'll do is miss OTA's again next year and show up out-of-shape again - that will solve the problem."

Once again we see that arrogance is as stupid does.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Rhabdomyolysis occurs when you work out in extreme heat without being in shape. Notice: without being in shape.

So AH's remarks, recontextualized, were: "Why did Shanny call it a headache when I have rhabdomyolysis, which you get from not being in shape. Why didn't he tell everyone that I'm out-of-shape? But I didn't have it so bad that I missed the game. So what I'll do is miss OTA's again next year and show up out-of-shape again - that will solve the problem."

Once again we see that arrogance is as stupid does.

Exactly. I'm a doctor, so I love clearing up this medical stuff for you guys.

1) Rhabdo is the same thing as saying "muscle breakdown". It happens when you exert yourself to the extreme, and worse when you're dehydrated. Happens to marathon runners all the time. Here's the thing, I bet if you tested all those football players after a long day of practice, a bunch would have some minor muscle enzyme leakage in the blood. And you could say that they had some "muscle breakdown" or rhabdo. But I bet his amount of leakage was fairly small, and I'd bet his muscle enzyme levels are comparable to other players (who aren't complaining). But that's just a guess.

2) In the extreme, yes, it can affect the kidney. I'm certain Haynesworth was NOWHERE CLOSE to affecting his kidneys. His kidneys are completely normal and fine, trust me.


In the end, Haynesworth probably did have rhabdo (muscle breakdown). He muscles did probably hurt all over. But if he was in better shape (and well hydrated), this probably would not have happened. And he's trying to use this to blame his problems on someone else.

To the point, it may be time to start thinking about cutting him before he starts eating away at this team.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Exactly. I'm a doctor, so I love clearing up this medical stuff for you guys.

1) Rhabdo is the same thing as saying "muscle breakdown". It happens when you exert yourself to the extreme, and worse when you're dehydrated. Happens to marathon runners all the time. Here's the thing, I bet if you tested all those football players after a long day of practice, a bunch would have some minor muscle enzyme leakage in the blood. And you could say that they had some "muscle breakdown" or rhabdo. But I bet his amount of leakage was fairly small, and I'd bet his muscle enzyme levels are comparable to other players (who aren't complaining). But that's just a guess.

2) In the extreme, yes, it can affect the kidney. I'm certain Haynesworth was NOWHERE CLOSE to affecting his kidneys. His kidneys are completely normal and fine, trust me.


In the end, Haynesworth probably did have rhabdo (muscle breakdown). He muscles did probably hurt all over. But if he was in better shape (and well hydrated), this probably would not have happened. And he's trying to use this to blame his problems on someone else.

To the point, it may be time to start thinking about cutting him before he starts eating away at this team.

Nice. Good post. Thanks for the info Doc. Good to have a resident physician around. I had never heard of rhabdo before today, but after reading into it, you pretty much confirm what I found. It's a fancy way of saying muscle breakdown, and can be avoided if you drink plenty of fluids and are in shape for the task at hand.

The release of this whole rhabdo thing only makes him look worse, not better. He was so poorly hydrated and so unprepared for practice that he developed this issue after 10 minutes on the field earlier in the week? LOL.

What's funny is the team/Shanny said they had no idea about this rhabdo, which tells me that maybe someone in Al's camp floated this to make him maybe look better... ooops.

Just go away Albert. You're not gonna win this war. Your wallet may look fatter than your belly, but unless you toe Shanahan's line, you're gonna part ways with this organization looking every bit like the uber-douche you are.

[GusFrerotte]

I think he got it(Rhabdomyolysis) when he lost the 35 lbs. He overdid it got it, then couldn't perform for the fitness test, thus the drama. Who knows how it played out in reality, since AH and the team docs only know. AH could be bullshitting of course, but it could be a case of the boy who cried wolf type thing. AH has been such a pain in the ass on his own and this stuff comes up. It could be a real issue, maybe not, but nobody is going to believe him. His outbrust though saying he is going to miss OTA's next year doesn't help his case any. I just can't see how the guy loses 35 lbs and isn't in decent shape. He had to do a lot of running, etc to lose that much.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Wow, Sally Jenkins of the WaPo just crucified Fat Albert in a column... There are occasions when I don't agree with her, but she is right on here.

Sally Jenkins - Albert Haynesworth has failed every test issued by Mike Shanahan

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Wow, Sally Jenkins of the WaPo just crucified Fat Albert in a column... There are occasions when I don't agree with her, but she is right on here.

Sally Jenkins - Albert Haynesworth has failed every test issued by Mike Shanahan

THAT'S..............my girl!
Btw...Shanny, you a BAD ass.. Damaged kidney....DAMN