V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by saden1

Jackson ain't shit...people need to get off his d*ck. He had two decent, not even great, years and all of a sudden he wants to get paid like a super star? No way!

I really don't get what all the fuss about Jackson either? The guy played with a stud QB, perhaps the second best TE in the game, another pretty solid WR. And let's not talk about the backfield. Basically the guy played with weapons left and right and with one of the most prolific offensive minds in football.

Fellas, this guy ain't Randy effin Moss.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I really don't get what all the fuss about Jackson either? The guy played with a stud QB, perhaps the second best TE in the game, another pretty solid WR. And let's not talk about the backfield. Basically the guy played with weapons left and right and with one of the most prolific offensive minds in football.

Fellas, this guy ain't Randy effin Moss.

Agreed. If people bitch and whine about Haynesworth attitude, this guy is just about the same (well except that he didn't take 21 mil from the team). Throw the suspension on top of that, and the fact that SD will ask for a lot, I don't see this as a good deal (unless he gets cut).

[Mechanix544]

He is better than any one of our receivers.........................shit, any two for that matter......

[Hail to the Redskins]

I know this will get debated fiercely... lol... but ...

Art Monk was 32 in 1989.

That year he caught 86 passes for 1,186 yards and 8 TDs

Two years later (our Super Bowl year - 1991) he caught 71 for 1,049 & 8 TDs.

By the way... I JUST turned 33 and don't consider myself "over the hill" ... a 32 year old is MORE than capable to produce in the right system... my opinion.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I know this will get debated fiercely... lol... but ...

Art Monk was 32 in 1989.

That year he caught 86 passes for 1,186 yards and 8 TDs

Two years later (our Super Bowl year - 1991) he caught 71 for 1,049 & 8 TDs.

By the way... I JUST turned 33 and don't consider myself "over the hill" ... a 32 year old is MORE than capable to produce in the right system... my opinion.

The only difference is that it was "Art Monk" who took care of himself by working out all the time. Houshman*** is no Monk!!

[Hail to the Redskins]

Obviously, Rice & T.O. have done alright after 32 due to their workout regimine & guess I'd give Randy Moss a pass for being a physical freak?

But...

Chris Carter - 4 straight 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Henry Ellard - 3 straight 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Jimmy Smith - 4 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Irving Fryar - 3 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Rod Smith - same as Fryar (I'm sure Shanahan remembers this guy)
Marvin Harrison - The same as Ellard
Donald Driver is STILL tearing it up - 3 straight 1,000 yd seasons post-32
Derrick Mason - The same as Driver... still doin it
Hines Ward - both years since 32 - over 1,000 yds
Issac Bruce - similar numbers to Monk
Torry Holt - 700+ yds the last 2 years
Steve Largent - 900+ yds for 2 seasons post-32
Andre Reed - 1,036/880/795 yds for 3 years after 32
Michael Irvin (we know how he took care of his body) - 1,000 yds at 32
Keyshawn Johnson - 3 800+ yd seasons post-32
James Lofton - had 1,00 yd season as 35 year-old
and our own Joey Galloway - 3 straight 1,000 yd seasons from age 34 to 36

From the little bit of research I've done, it seems every good receiver stays that way until about 35... then it's a wrap.

In the RIGHT SYSTEM... TJ Hoos-your-mamma could have a couple of productive seasons... Remember... the dude does have at least 900 yds receiving for 6 consecutive years now... I think we'd take 800 yds from him this year as a compliment WR... just saying.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I know this will get debated fiercely... lol... but ...

Art Monk was 32 in 1989.

That year he caught 86 passes for 1,186 yards and 8 TDs

Two years later (our Super Bowl year - 1991) he caught 71 for 1,049 & 8 TDs.

By the way... I JUST turned 33 and don't consider myself "over the hill" ... a 32 year old is MORE than capable to produce in the right system... my opinion.

Hail, I am 40 and I don't necessarily feel over the hill, but I am past my prime. I am in decent shape, but definitely can't do things I could 10 years ago. TJ might be a good pickup for say, a one or two year contract, but no more. Can't compare TJ with Monk either. Monk was a winner with an old school work ethic. From what I have read on NFL.com and Foxsports TJ sort of had an attitude before his release. Not saying he is a problem child, but he didn't go all out. I rather have a young kid trying to prove he belongs and is totally motivated.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Hail, I am 40 and I don't necessarily feel over the hill, but I am past my prime. I am in decent shape, but definitely can't do things I could 10 years ago. TJ might be a good pickup for say, a one or two year contract, but no more. Can't compare TJ with Monk either. Monk was a winner with an old school work ethic. From what I have read on NFL.com and Foxsports TJ sort of had an attitude before his release. Not saying he is a problem child, but he didn't go all out. I rather have a young kid trying to prove he belongs and is totally motivated.

Gus, You did read the long list of receiver not named Monk I posted a little bit a ago and their post-32 numbers right? EVERY good receiver that I looked up was good until 35 or so.

Seattle is, in my opinion, being turned into what Carroll wants.. which is to get "his guys" in there.... Mike Williams is one of "his guys" and Housh and him didn't hit it off I understand... and why tie up the future cap space when the team is rebuilding?... hence the riff and the cut..

But clearly... everyone needs to understand the Housh has had 6 CONSECUTIVE seasons with 900 yards-plus... if one of our Skins had those kind of numbers he'd be the greatest receiver we've seen in almost 20 years.

Truthfyl, I'm not saying Housh is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but how the hell does someone compare ROYDELL WILLIAMS to him?? Huh?? lol ... the guy has 200 yards more in his CAREER than Housh had LAST year at age 32 (when he was beginning to fossilize!)

He'd be great for us this year and next IMO... he was the #1/#2 receiver with the Bengals... I think everyone has pigeon-holed him as a slot guy... but he can be a #2 just as well...

I don't see ANY negative here. Seattle is picking up the tab! lol .. I mean... 6 CONSECUTIVE 900 yard seasons for vet minimum?? lol ... I'll drop it now 'cause it's pointless to argue over it... but whew... Roydell Williams? I get your point... and agree that's funny

[JoeRedskin]

12th, saden1 and JoeRedskin all agree - V. Jackson is not the sh**. He is not "the missing piece". Is he better than any one we have? Maybe. As 12th said, lets look at this guy with out a zillion weapons surrounding him.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

guys just to let you know... I am not on the bring in VJ bandwagon.. If we add a WR I would prefer TJ.

Not impressed with Clayton nor will Antonio Bryant be healthy enough to play this year.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

guys just to let you know... I am not on the bring in VJ bandwagon.. If we add a WR I would prefer TJ.

Not impressed with Clayton nor will Antonio Bryant be healthy enough to play this year.

Hahaha...you're not the only one not impressed with Clayton, Tampa probably cut him a year or two too late.

[NYCskinfan82]

TJ cost nothing but a couple of $$$$ whatever any team pays him Seattle's on the hook for the rest.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

agreed other than 2004 he has not made any kind of impact on the offensive attack in TB.

[geichidanman]

Javon Walker?

[GusFrerotte]

We are set at WR for now. TJ is probably a Viking by tomorrow.