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Old 09-21-2010, 11:23 AM   #1
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Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down!

theplay reminded me when troy vincent blocked a fg for us but he was called offsides. vincent came from the same left outside positon pollard does, comes clean off teh line, blocks the fg but was called offsides. i forget which head coach said it at teh time, but he said it is mathmatically impossible for an outside rusher to block a fg if the the snap, hold and kick get executed on time.

sounds like the time it took for us to snap, hold and kick the ball was longer than the average nfl time.

how long does/should it take for a fg to be kicked? 2.3 seconds? less? i know they time these things and college kickers and punters entering the league have growing pains as they try and speed up their motion to fit within the nfl time for such plays.
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Old 09-21-2010, 07:49 PM   #2
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Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down!

I am still flabbergasted by our defensive laying down in the second half.

Gotta be smarter than that..........
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Old 09-22-2010, 04:17 PM   #3
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Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down!

Cooley explains how you control both gaps on a FG

D.C. Sports Bog - How to block two guys on a field goal
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:25 PM   #4
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Cooley explains how you control both gaps on a FG

D.C. Sports Bog - How to block two guys on a field goal
Davis clearly makes some sort of effort to get in Pollard's way, however ineffective. I think most special teams coaches would tell you that they don't block the outside guy, though on this play, Pollard was pretty flat in his pursuit of the kick.

I thought the alignment looked a bit odd before the kick, though anytime (including this one) that the outside guy blocks the kick, the kicker's timing HAS to be at fault. He shouldn't get there quick enough.
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Old 09-22-2010, 04:23 PM   #5
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Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down!

Exactly what I was talking about. All he had to do was get a shove on him to knock him off his path to the ball.
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Old 09-22-2010, 04:27 PM   #6
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Old 09-22-2010, 04:27 PM   #7
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I seriously doubt FD will do it again... lesson learned
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:46 PM   #8
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yeah he just missed his punch

someone mentioned that Pollard has had a history of being effective on the rush against the FG
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:49 PM   #9
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Re: Plenty of blame to go around, time to lay some smack down!

The blocked FG isn't an issue if Haslett knew what he was doing.
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every play counts..
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:58 PM   #11
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They'll lose to STL if they don't do something different. Teams do watch film and that's likely a half time adjustment HOU made.
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I think that with what we did vs Houston we'd beat STL, doesn't mean you don't correct your mistakes though.
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Fairly conclusively: the blitz was not a limiting factor on the defense in this game. If anything, it was necessary: the Texans OT duo played a great game, to the point where no stunt = no pressure on Schaub. All the pressure in this game came from between the tackles, vs. the backs and guards. And there was a ton of it from all angles.

We got killed on the same routes while rushing six as we did while rushing four. We might need to call better coverages maybe, but we ran a bunch of different zone coverage variants and disguised a lot of what we did: we just couldn't stop the Texans from running the routes they wanted to run. They did whatever they wanted to against us.

The solution might ultimately include using man coverage more. We just haven't played very much man coverage yet, and we're bad at reading route combinations at zone. That's a problem that went back to last year.

Couldn't be happier with the pressure schemes, but the pass defense, as a unit, still sucks.
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It's obvious that the defense is vulnerable to play action. Houston employed that strategy in OT last week.

We're facing an elite back in Steven Jackson next week, so they better dig deep.
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It's obvious that the defense is vulnerable to play action. Houston employed that strategy in OT last week.

We're facing an elite back in Steven Jackson next week, so they better dig deep.
The stretch plays in this game, both teams created major separation for the receivers. Schaub actually had half a field to himself after our lineman chased their lineman away from where the ball was.

They were much more disciplined at holding contain than we were, but McNabb is so much ahead of Schaub in physical skills that he could hit an open receiver on a throwback downfield while falling away from pressure in his face.
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