Andy Reid names Michael Vick as team's starting quarterback

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Who they just gave a decent contract to over the summer?

How does this work for them? Vick plays well...they can't resign him because he'll cost too much. Or they do resign him and do what with Kolb? Now you are paying two guys to be your starting QB? I mean I understand it is about winning but at the same time it has been 2 games. I don't see how they came to an earth-shattering decision like this after 2 games. For god's sake just say Kolb is still banged up. Make something up so it doesn't look like you're benching the guy you just dumped your HOF QB for.

Lol, as I said before two games seems to be the magic number in Philly. You play well for two games you get promoted to franchise savior. First with Kolb last year against a feast or famine New Orleans D along with a great outing against a rebuilding Kansas D and now the same thing has happened with Mike Vick.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Who they just gave a decent contract to over the summer?

How does this work for them? Vick plays well...they can't resign him because he'll cost too much. Or they do resign him and do what with Kolb? Now you are paying two guys to be your starting QB? I mean I understand it is about winning but at the same time it has been 2 games. I don't see how they came to an earth-shattering decision like this after 2 games. For god's sake just say Kolb is still banged up. Make something up so it doesn't look like you're benching the guy you just dumped your HOF QB for.

Similar situation with San Diego and Rivers/Brees. They'll franchise Vick if he plays well, then try to trade him, IMO.

[CRedskinsRule]

I did not realize Vick had been sacked so much. Peter King and Ross Tucker just said his stats for his 4 years as a starter where he had 15 or 16 games: 33, 46, 33, 45. And he has 9 so far in 6 quarters. For someone with his elusiveness that is a lot.

In checking McNabb's numbers in years he played 14+ games: 42, 33, 44, 23(only 16 game season), 35.

I am not sure how that will play out, but 9 sacks in 6 quarters is a lot of pounding.

[SolidSnake84]

What is the consensus here? Will Michael Vick be an Eagle next year??

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

What is the consensus here? Will Michael Vick be an Eagle next year??

Yes. Reid will NOT be. Kolb will be a backup or traded because they overpaid him, and that's not a backup's salary.


Starting Vick IS the right move for them this season, but he's not a long-term answer like they claimed Kolb would be.

I knew Kolb would not only fail to live up to McNabb's success, but will not be a capable starter. Despite the media's and Reid's claims I've heard, he looked horrible in his chances to play. Reid benched McNabb for having a bad game, Kolb came in and played even worse against that Ravens D. He threw a 108-yard pick 6 to Reed and another INT. He finished 2008 with 0 TDs, 4 INTs and 2009 had him with 4 TD/3 INT. Even in his big game against New Orleans with 391 yards in a 48-22 loss where they abandoned the run and he attempted 51 passes, he had 2 TDs and 3 INTs. Week 1 this season looked just as bad with 5/10 for 24 yards and a fumble before the concussion. He's a 4th-year QB in the same system, he should be past these mistakes. He's not as turnover-prone as Cutler...he's more comparable to Sanchez or even Patrick Ramsey, but I think the Eagles are quickly realizing they made a gigantic blunder by thinking they could replace McNabb with Kolb. He doesn't even look capable to start, forget about going to 6 NFC Championships. (to surpass McNabb's success)

They made an even more stupid mistake by handing him $12 million guaranteed in an extension through 2011, before he did anything on the field.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Buster

Yes. Reid will NOT be. Kolb will be a backup or traded because they overpaid him, and that's not a backup's salary.


Starting Vick IS the right move for them this season, but he's not a long-term answer like they claimed Kolb would be.

I knew Kolb would not only fail to live up to McNabb's success, but will not be a capable starter. Despite the media's and Reid's claims I've heard, he looked horrible in his chances to play. Reid benched McNabb for having a bad game, Kolb came in and played even worse against that Ravens D. He threw a 108-yard pick 6 to Reed and another INT. He finished 2008 with 0 TDs, 4 INTs and 2009 had him with 4 TD/3 INT. Even in his big game against New Orleans with 391 yards in a 48-22 loss where they abandoned the run and he attempted 51 passes, he had 2 TDs and 3 INTs. Week 1 this season looked just as bad with 5/10 for 24 yards and a fumble before the concussion. He's a 4th-year QB in the same system, he should be past these mistakes. He's not as turnover-prone as Cutler...he's more comparable to Sanchez or even Patrick Ramsey, but I think the Eagles are quickly realizing they made a gigantic blunder by thinking they could replace McNabb with Kolb. He doesn't even look capable to start, forget about going to 6 NFC Championships. (to surpass McNabb's success)

They made an even more stupid mistake by handing him $12 million guaranteed in an extension through 2011, before he did anything on the field.

He just needs more time. They need to fix the O-Line. We need to develop him. Wait what? Sorry Campbell flashback.

[SolidSnake84]

Why not just resign Vick at the end of the year to a reasonable 4 or 5 year contract, and trade Kolb for whatever you could get for him?? Vick is not old people. If he is protected, he could play for as many as 8 more years, maybe even more.....

[12thMan]

I think it's a given at this point, barring a major injury or a complete implosion, Mike Vick will get franchised by the Eagles. Still there will be suiters. And if the price is right I wouldn't be surprised to see Vick go to the highest bidder next season.

It shall be interesting.

On a somewhat related note, with the combination of early benchings and injuries to QBs this year in the NFL has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you need two starting quality QBs to make it through the season. If my count is right, something like 5 or 6 starting QBs have been benched and we just finished week two.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think it's a given at this point, barring a major injury or a complete implosion, Mike Vick will get franchised by the Eagles. Still there will be suiters. And if the price is right I wouldn't be surprised to see Vick go to the highest bidder next season.

It shall be interesting.

On a somewhat related note, with the combination of early benchings and injuries to QBs this year in the NFL has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you need two starting quality QBs to make it through the season. If my count is right, something like 5 or 6 starting QBs have been benched and we just finished week two.

Yeah! Teams have long since come to the realization it's going to take 2-3 running backs to get through a season, the same is going to eventually hold true for QB's as well. This move, if implemented successfully, could eventually affect how both NFL QB's & RB's are compensated.

[CRedskinsRule]

If the Franchise tag rules stay the same, a qb franchise tag could be at around 19 Million dollars (after Brady and Peyton's deals). I am not sure that the Eagles, or anyone else will see Vick as worth that.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If the Franchise tag rules stay the same, a qb franchise tag could be at around 19 Million dollars (after Brady and Peyton's deals). I am not sure that the Eagles, or anyone else will see Vick as worth that.

No but they can rescind that at any time before he signs the tender. Tagging would keep him in their control and they can then work on trading him for something reasonable.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

No but they can rescind that at any time before he signs the tender. Tagging would keep him in their control and they can then work on trading him for something reasonable.

Call me crazy, but if someone put a 19Million tag on me, I would sign that in a heartbeat, and I think Vick would too.

[Dread-Skin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Call me crazy, but if someone put a 19Million tag on me, I would sign that in a heartbeat, and I think Vick would too.

IDK, are you sure you wouldn't take the money and want to play a different position 4 months later

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Call me crazy, but if someone put a 19Million tag on me, I would sign that in a heartbeat, and I think Vick would too.

Yeah, he would sign it, and then they'd trade him and he'd get a new deal with his new team. His new team wouldn't take him without a new deal, so Vick would essentially be faced with riding the bench or accepting a different, longer-term, contract with another team.

However, there's always the risk that Vick is only in it for money, and wouldn't mind riding the bench for $19M. I guess it's a tougher call than I originally thought, but it worked out for the Chargers and Brees.

[FRPLG]

I agree about the two QBs. That's why Rex was a real solid pickup. I don't think anyone would confuse him with a pro-bowler but over 304 games he can probably keep going and win some. He's an average starter and an above average backup.