Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[GhettoDogAllStars]

People are overreacting to this big-time.

We have nothing to play for this season, and the coaches want to do what's best for the team into the future by evaluating Rex, IMO. If that means upsetting some players, then SFW. Also, McNabb's contract can be voided at the end of this year, so we better make sure we are in a good position to make that decision when the time comes.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

People are overreacting to this big-time.

We have nothing to play for this season, and the coaches want to do what's best for the team into the future by evaluating Rex, IMO. If that means upsetting some players, then SFW. Also, McNabb's contract can be voided at the end of this year, so we better make sure we are in a good position to make that decision when the time comes.

I think we are all pissed over how this situation was handled. Everyone is blaming McNabb for this, when the OFFENSIVE LINE IS SHIT! The guy is hit, sacked, hurried more than any QB in the league. Can't people see this has been a year in year out thing with this team. It doesn't matter who the QB is, the oline is the worst in the league every year because Danny and Vinny wanted the SEXY pick instead of the right pick. second point is this, why waste a 2nd round pick on McNabb if you are going to have this outlook. Now that is a 2nd rounder we wont have next year, and still wont have a QB. Give the guy a break. We have no line, No WR worth a damn (and dont bring Santana into this, he isn't a #1) no RB worth a shit, but McNabb is playing hard, making plays, and throwing for more yards than he ever has. This is just Redskins life. We always find a way to screw something up. Hell, we fire the damn punter/holder instead of the damn kid that is the worst freaking kicker in the league. That to me is just insane.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I think we are all pissed over how this situation was handled. Everyone is blaming McNabb for this, when the OFFENSIVE LINE IS SHIT! The guy is hit, sacked, hurried more than any QB in the league. Can't people see this has been a year in year out thing with this team. It doesn't matter who the QB is, the oline is the worst in the league every year because Danny and Vinny wanted the SEXY pick instead of the right pick. second point is this, why waste a 2nd round pick on McNabb if you are going to have this outlook. Now that is a 2nd rounder we wont have next year, and still wont have a QB. Give the guy a break. We have no line, No WR worth a damn (and dont bring Santana into this, he isn't a #1) no RB worth a shit, but McNabb is playing hard, making plays, and throwing for more yards than he ever has. This is just Redskins life. We always find a way to screw something up. Hell, we fire the damn punter/holder instead of the damn kid that is the worst freaking kicker in the league. That to me is just insane.

I agree, without an offensive line it's hard to evaluate players, but it still has to be done. You can't give a pass and hand out 5 year contracts to old QBs who underachieve just because the line is shit. I'm thinking Shanahan was expecting something different than what he saw. Maybe more scrambling, maybe better work ethic, I don't know. It sucks that we lost a 2nd, but that was a risk that was worth taking, considering McNabb's credentials.

[RFKRat]

Pffff. Who cares. It's not like McNabb is having a great season and the Redskins are 10-3 trying to nail down a playoff spot. They stink, and McNabb's the 25th rated QB in the league and leads in INTs. Yeah he's thrown for a lot of yards but when you have as many attempts as he has, you're going to pile up a bunch, even if you consistently miss open receivers and bounce balls.

His backers and columnists are already wailing about respect, etc....plleeeeeeeeeease.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by RFKRat

Pffff. Who cares. It's not like McNabb is having a great season and the Redskins are 10-3 trying to nail down a playoff spot. They stink, and McNabb's the 25th rated QB in the league and leads in INTs. Yeah he's thrown for a lot of yards but when you have as many attempts as he has, you're going to pile up a bunch, even if you consistently miss open receivers and bounce balls.

His backers and columnists are already wailing about respect, etc....plleeeeeeeeeease.

If you're going to come in here, get your facts straight instead of spouting off b.s.

[Dread-Skin]

Every morning I wake up expecting to hear news of what dumb things the team has done while I'm asleep, now that Im caught up I can prepare for work and have something new to question about the Shannies.

[SmootSmack]

In many ways, this is reminiscent of Al Saunders lobbying vigorously for Todd Collins to start, to show his offense works. Can't help but think Kyle Shanahan is doing the same here. I don't doubt that his offense works (I was pretty vocal in wanting him here and I stand by it), but reality is McNabb has had to work with Portis and Torain out for an extended period of time, a RT who isn't healthy, a revolving door at RG, and journeyman Anthony Armstrong and fossil Joey Galloway as the #2 and #3 WRs for much of the season. Has McNabb been good? Far from it. But I think he deserves better than this. Seems like the Redskins wanted McNabb to publicly admit that he's hurt (which he is) so the team could then say "Well, McNabb's hurt so we need to start Grossman"

So what happens now with McNabb. Well I suppose there's the possibility that this will all be blown over and forgotten. I'm guessing that's not the case. But you never know in the fickle NFL. I'm not as down on Grossman as others here, but you don't bench McNabb for Grossman. You're not talking about benching him for the future of the franchise. You know what you're getting with Grossman. They could cut him. Neither Allen nor Mike Shanahan has any qualms about admitting a mistake, dropping the player, and moving on. If you're going to fail, don't dwell on it and futiley try to make it work. They did a good job, perhaps not with the trade, but in setting up his contract extension in such a way that dropping him won't hurt us too bad. I'm sure there's a market for McNabb but it must be limited at this point. In less than a year both Reid and Shahanan have at least implied they can without him. And it's not like McNabb is a spring chicken. I suppose this would intensify the Jake Locker rumors I hear off and on. I'd still prefer we keep McNabb another year and take Christian Ponder in the 2nd round. But that's a conversation for another day.

So I guess I was wrong about McNabb not starting this weekend (if this report is true, which it appears to be). Props to Jay Glazer of FOX Sports for being the first to hint of this last week. Others including Grant Paulsen and Chris Mortenson reported that McNabb would likely be benched. I hadn't heard that, but then again I've had my mind on other things. But unlike certain "insiders" on other boards, I won't deny when I'm wrong or backtrack.

[Zorn on the 4th of July]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

In many ways, this is reminiscent of Al Saunders lobbying vigorously for Todd Collins to start, to show his offense works. Can't help but think Kyle Shanahan is doing the same here.

Agreed. That's what makes it such a dick move, too. McNabb was closing in on a personal and franchise record for completions as well as being our first 4,000 yard passer in this millenium.

Plus, he's been an NFC East guy his whole career. Nobody would have wanted to beat the Cowboys in Dallas more than McNabb.

It might be a good move to give Grossman more reps against Jacksonville and New York, but you don't have to START the guy to evaluate him! We don't have a chance for a winning season, but we have a shot at avoiding a losing season. Hell, we've got 2 division games left!

And sure, we have to evaluate players, but we're 5-8, eliminated from the playoffs, and playing in the physical manifestation of the collective egos of Jerry Jones and every obnoxious Cowboy fan in the world. I got news for everybody, but Sunday is the Super Bowl for anybody left who cares about this team.

I was unofficial chairman of the "Hire Russ Grimm" coalition before Shanahan was hired, and he has done nothing this season to sway me from my preference. I don't think the guy should be fired, but he is going to have to have a perfect offseason for me to even start to come around . . . especially if his son is sticking around.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Zorn on the 4th of July

Agreed. That's what makes it such a dick move, too. McNabb was closing in on a personal and franchise record for completions as well as being our first 4,000 yard passer in this millenium.

Plus, he's been an NFC East guy his whole career. Nobody would have wanted to beat the Cowboys in Dallas more than McNabb.

Seriously? Who gives a **** about his personal records and achievement. The only thing worse than his play is your argument.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Zorn on the 4th of July

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Plus, he's been an NFC East guy his whole career. Nobody would have wanted to beat the Cowboys in Dallas more than McNabb.

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To be fair, McNabb has gotten lit up by the Cowboys many more times than he has lit them up, especially last year. I don't think that desire alone would have carried the day. (No I am not saying Grossman would either)

[mooby]

All of you guys with the counter argument, i.e. nothing to lose, lets see what Grossman has, etc. make great points, but that's not the main point people are going to see here. The main point people are going to see here is that the Shanahans aren't confident in McNabb and don't trust him. And by doing this, you divide the locker room. I see both sides of the argument, I just wish there wasn't an argument at all. You know Grossman is not the qb of the future, so you're not really doing anything except creating an argument where there shouldn't be one.

This is just stupid. I don't care that the season is over, that we won't make the playoffs, I'm just tired of all the mother****ing controversy around here. Can't we just get through this season without one week of stupid ass controversy at Redskins Park?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by mooby

All of you guys with the counter argument, i.e. nothing to lose, lets see what Grossman has, etc. make great points, but that's not the main point people are going to see here. The main point people are going to see here is that the Shanahans aren't confident in McNabb and don't trust him. And by doing this, you divide the locker room. I see both sides of the argument, I just wish there wasn't an argument at all. You know Grossman is not the qb of the future, so you're not really doing anything except creating an argument where there shouldn't be one.

This is just stupid. I don't care that the season is over, that we won't make the playoffs, I'm just tired of all the mother****ing controversy around here. Can't we just get through this season without one week of stupid ass controversy at Redskins Park?

Here's the way I see it:

McNabb's deal is the epitome of an incentive-based contract. Here you go, Donovan, it's the 5 year deal you wanted -- but, we can void it at the end of this year, so you have 8 games to prove you deserve it. He hasn't done that, and it doesn't look like he will, so onto the next guy. Why wait?

F the controversy caused by hothead fans.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Here's the way I see it:

McNabb's deal is the epitome of an incentive-based contract. Here you go, Donovan, it's the 5 year deal you wanted -- but, we can void it at the end of this year, so you have 8 games to prove you deserve it. He hasn't done that, and it doesn't look like he will, so onto the next guy. Why wait?

F the controversy caused by hothead fans.

Yeah, but why judge him on a season with a joke of an offensive line, terrible WR's, and a revolving door of UDFA running backs? I wasn't expecting a big year from Donovan, and I'm all for seeing what Rex/Beck have, it's just the way the organization has handled it that has been so awful.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Here's the way I see it:

McNabb's deal is the epitome of an incentive-based contract. Here you go, Donovan, it's the 5 year deal you wanted -- but, we can void it at the end of this year, so you have 8 games to prove you deserve it. He hasn't done that, and it doesn't look like he will, so onto the next guy. Why wait?

F the controversy caused by hothead fans.

It's not like he has a cast of all-stars all around him. He's not Manning or Brady, he's not going to have a great season with guys that have barely played football at a professional level. Like I said I see your argument, but at this point all this does is tell the world that things really haven't changed in DC. When things go wrong, find the scapegoat and stick him out in front of the crowd.

Whether McNabb is here or not next year is a conversation for the offseason. I realize McNabb hasn't been perfect but singling him out with 3 games left in the season doesn't do anything but create bad press.

[TIFOSOdeiREDSKINS]

lot of venting here...IMO, who cares? the season is a wash and mcnabb is old and beat up. let rexy get sacked 6 times sunday. yes it's dallas, but we still need mcnabb as a band aid until we get someone better.


shanahan has not impressed me thus far, but to be fair i came into the year with typically grandiose redskin fan expectations (alright, so it was 8-8...). however, i still have faith he will ultimately be the real deal. he's done it before, after all. you're out of your mind to take zorn over him.


if we flush all the cancer this year and stock up on young fellas that like to play hard and have fun (even if they suck), i couldn't be happier win or lose in 2011.