Who do you want to start at QB?

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Beck for 3 simple reasons:
1. We've seen all that Rex can do-good and bad. We aren't in a position where the QB is going to be the difference between being a SB contender or being 3-13. We are probably firmly in the 7 to 9 win range so it's best to see what we have in Beck.
2. Beck seems to have the pulse and support of the team. Not trying to overstate things from one half of one preseason game but Beck has really stepped up to become a leader, Rex seems happy to just be part of the team. I want my QB to lead by example and set a tone.
3. I really want to shut up the Mike Greenburgs and Rich Eisens of the national media who keep singing the 'JOHN BECK!?!?' chorus like he's a guy we pulled out of the accounting department of IBM and plugged him in. I hope Mike and Kyle drop a big old 'told ya so' on those guys.

Amen brother ... the first thing I would add to this list is that Beck seems like he understands his role. He seems to understand that he hasn't done anything and how big of a responsibility it is to be the starting qb of a team (no one really knows what he's thinking but he's saying the right things). Lastly, MS and KS are really high on this guy and whether it's just a diversion, a ploy or they really believe it, these guys know good quarterbacks so I am more likely to trust their judgment -- I know, I know what about DMac? Hey, they let him go after a season, a good FO/talent evaluation team knows when they have made a mistake and corrects it ASAP and that's what happened in that situation.

[celts32]

Beck is the easy choice. We already know what Grossman is. Beck is more of an unknown...he could be better or he could be worse. Only way to find out is to play him. We can always turn to Grossman during the season if Beck is a flop.

[MTK]

A lot has changed since then. Hard to hold opinions against someone given the circumstances then vs. now.

[Longtimefan]

There's not much of a premium on opinions therefore they need not be valued. I understand.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

There's not much of a premium on opinions therefore they need not be valued. I understand.

Given the circumstances that have changed since then, no, I don't think you can put much value on those opinions from back then.

[IrMitchell]

Grossman, Beck will be a very unexciting check down machine which I am not prepared for.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Grossman, Beck will be a very unexciting check down machine which I am not prepared for.

I would happily take some boring, unexciting wins over some super exciting, adrenaline pumping losses

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Grossman, Beck will be a very unexciting check down machine which I am not prepared for.

I suppose Peyton Manning "90% short and intermediate, 10% deep" ratio on his pass attempts disgusts you.

Here's the deal, NOT every short route is a ****ing checkdown. The checkdown is the LAST or "panic" option in the play. A quick slant or a quick out is not a ****ing checkdown because it's an early read.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I suppose Peyton Manning "90% short and intermediate, 10% deep" ratio on his pass attempts disgusts you.

Here's the deal, NOT every short route is a ****ing checkdown. The checkdown is the LAST or "panic" option in the play. A quick slant or a quick out is not a ****ing checkdown because it's an early read.

1 out of 10 deep is a team that stretches...

Grossman avgd 6 yards in the air per pass in his start, 7 without that 2 min hurry up, mostly no huddle drive

Beck's passes avgd 3 yards in the air vs the colts, a much softer preseason team (30th ranked preseason D vs Steelers 2nd ranked last year)

Grossman had more good decisions, less bad ones, and no self-caused sacks in each of their starts

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

1 out of 10 deep is a team that stretches...

Grossman avgd 6 yards in the air per pass in his start, 7 without that 2 min hurry up, mostly no huddle drive

Beck's passes avgd 3 yards in the air vs the colts, a much softer preseason team (30th ranked preseason D vs Steelers 2nd ranked last year)

Grossman had more good decisions, less bad ones, and no self-caused sacks in each of their starts

Late EDIT: First of all, the Colts have the 13th ranked passing D while having the 30th overall D. That should tell you something about their run D.

Averages don't tell you if the men were open in the first place.

Self-caused sacks? On his second sack had the camera zoomed in and thus the WRs were no longer in the picutre. It very well could have been a coverage sack

The first one, his reads were from left-to-right. Trent was beat and had he pulled the trigger, it would have been an incompletion or interception.

The third one had his reads from right-to-left. The BLINDSIDE backup absolutely embarassed Trent Williams and hence he couldn't hit either of his targets on the left(the RB checkdown).

[mooby]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Grossman, Beck will be a very unexciting check down machine which I am not prepared for.

Checkdowns are a result of wideouts not getting open or offensive lines not giving enough time for the qb to make his reads, not an indication of a bad quarterback. So if Beck is the checkdown king this season, it will mean we are worse off at wideout or o-line than we've been led to believe.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by mooby

Checkdowns are a result of wideouts not getting open or offensive lines not giving enough time for the qb to make his reads, not an indication of a bad quarterback. So if Beck is the checkdown king this season, it will mean we are worse off at wideout or o-line than we've been led to believe.

Or making a bad or too late of a read. Not to say that was always the case and only on Beck's side (Grossman going to Stallworth instead of Davis)

[MTK]

As opposed to Mr. Long Ball McNabb from last year who go us sooo far.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

As opposed to Mr. Long Ball McNabb from last year who go us sooo far.

^^t

[FrenchSkin]

Ok, back with a beginner wondering: why does it seem unthinkable to have two quaterbacks? I mean, for example, Beck would be the stater, he'd play a lot more than Grossman, BUT, no one would be upset if at the end of some matches Grossman comed on the field for the last 10 minutes. Or if Beck has a little injury which doesn't necessarily prevent him from playing, Shannahan would make the decision to let Grossman start a game or two and let Beck come back when he's feeling better. Or, "hey this week at practice Grossman was better than Beck, he'll start next game, maybe next week Beck will be more in it at practice..."
I know this question will seem very very strange to football fans, but we see a lot of this in Rugby, at the higher level, and I think it's a good thing because it takes drama out of players' shoulders, they no longer pray for the other one to hurt himself, and it makes the competition for the job both permanent, more dynamic and it means less tension, and the possibility for both players to work together.