Who Can Lead This Team?

[skinsfaninok]

LMAO Sir Clinton you are pissed today

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

LMAO Sir Clinton you are pissed today

I still can't figure out what that whole Mormon rant was about

[SmootSmack]

By the way, why weren't you participating in the discussions the first two weeks of the season or even in the preseason fanarchist?

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

By the way, why weren't you participating in the discussions the first two weeks of the season or even in the preseason fanarchist?

I read the threads more than I participate in the discussions. I don't always feel the need because, like today for example, I say something that rubs someone the wrong way, and I spend the entire time defending myself. Maybe it's because I'm low man on the totem, or some arcane right of passage. Or maybe it's just my demeanor.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I read the threads more than I participate in the discussions. I don't always feel the need because, like today for example, I say something that rubs someone the wrong way, and I spend the entire time defending myself. Maybe it's because I'm low man on the totem, or some arcane right of passage. Or maybe it's just my demeanor.

Welcome to what we call discussion round here.

[Hog1]

I would suggest you refer to the WP "arcane right of passage"...hoyle, page 122.
Look under absolution........

[fanarchist]

Thanks for the correction. Rite of passage.

[firstdown]

U guys do remember that Rex is only in his 6th game as our starter and we had a short preseason.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by firstdown

U guys do remember that Rex is only in his 6th game as our starter and we had a short preseason.

We had a short pre-season? I thought we played four games.

[Mechanix544]

SCP, what in the hell was that all about? I was rescrolling a rereading posts to see if I had missed something.......LOL

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

So this begs the question, who's shoulders can this offense trust and lean on?

For leaderhip?

Santana Moss.

But if you're asking who the offense should be built around?

Hightower & Helu should be the focal point and leaders on the offense.

[fanarchist]

Wikipedia is really not most reliable source for information. I saw an excerpt from Wikipedia that claimed Dan Snyder was gay for dinosaurs. It's funny, but highly doubtful in the fact catagory.

For the most part, I think a number of decisions this coaching staff has made, personnel wise, this season have been great. Helu, Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowens, Hank, OJ etc. all, in my opinion very good acquistions. But Fred Davis being virtually non-existent in the game last night, and essentially replacing his touches with what seems to be a smaller, slower, less menasing version of the Captain Chaos we are accustom to seeing, seems, atleast to me, like a very poor game planning decision. Especially when Fred Davis had been a dominant safety blanket in the first 2 games. Running stretch plays on most early 1st down scenarios. Redzone playcalling that discourages us from capitalizing on scoring opportunities, and turnovers. I realize that they're in the past, but the McNabb and Haynesworth debacles didn't really instill a solid foundation for trust. Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway. I'm not going to just accept these shaky decisions based on a lulling adherence to the Shanahan's past achievements. I will question.

Sorry if my initial statement was percieved as contentious, it wasn't my intent. I was looking for elaboration.

That's all.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I saw an excerpt from Wikipedia that claimed Dan Snyder was gay for dinosaurs. It's funny, but highly doubtful in the fact catagory.

Not only is that fact true, it also explains a lot.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

Wikipedia is really not most reliable source for information. I saw an excerpt from Wikipedia that claimed Dan Snyder was gay for dinosaurs. It's funny, but highly doubtful in the fact catagory.

I understand what you're trying to say here, and in many cases you're correct (I wouldn't rely on their entry on chemistry experiments) but in this case Wikipedia is a reliable source because the disagreement was whether anyone else thinks of Rex Grossman as a "gunslinger". The fact that someone went to the trouble of editing Grossman's entry to include references to this would seem to indicate that there are people who feel this is true.

Further, the article itself was located as a result of typing "Rex Grossman gu.." into Google, where "Rex Grossman gunslinger" is the #3 search term (behind "Rex Grossman guarantee", "Rex Grossman guarantee nfc east" and just after "Rex Grossman gut").

I realize that they're in the past, but the McNabb and Haynesworth debacles didn't really instill a solid foundation for trust. Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway. I'm not going to just accept these shaky decisions based on a lulling adherence to the Shanahan's past achievements. I will question.

Well, I don't disagree with disliking many of those moves, but hindsight is 20/20. Signing McNabb was a risky move but one that a great deal of pundits thought would make us instant contenders. Nobody realized how far McNabb had fallen physically and the bigger issue probably turned out to be his attitude.

I'm one of those guys who thinks that the real issue with McNabb was that he refused to take direction from coaches. I read an an article that hinted that he'd always been this way in Philly, but Reid covered for him and for the most part, he used his physical attributes to brute force his way through bad decisions. But because he wouldn't take any coaching, and would just wave off instruction as "beneath him", be started to become less and less effective as he got older. What can you say, the guy was really good at saying the right things, and he was just too old to help us.

As for Haynesworth, I really don't understand what anyone can hang on Shanahan there. He didn't sign the guy. He made his intentions to switch to a 3-4 clear (and it's paying dividends now, so he seems validated) and they gave Fatal Bert plenty of opportunities, but Shanahan refused to kowtow to a spoiled player, and I think that was absolutely the right move. The inmates ran the asylum for far too long, and again, the discipline and cohesiveness we're seeing with this year's squad is proof that it was the right move.

LJ and Galloway, I mean, whatever, you bring in warm bodies for camp, if you think they can help you give them a shot. Hell, Gibbs brought in McCardell when he was 37. Lots of coaches bring in veteran players for a variety of reasons; they're cheap, they're experienced, they provide leadership and stabilize a team, and they're expendable if a young guy starts to shows promise and overtakes them.

I really can't say anything definitive about Davis being a non-factor last night except that I noticed it too and assumed he was just well covered the defense when he was in. It's safe to say teams know who he is now and he won't be able to get open quite so easily. Cooley has a lot of experience against Dallas so it would make sense to try and work him in often, but I agree with you that he's starting to look like he's really slowing down.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by dgack

I understand what you're trying to say here, and in many cases you're correct (I wouldn't rely on their entry on chemistry experiments) but in this case Wikipedia is a reliable source because the disagreement was whether anyone else thinks of Rex Grossman as a "gunslinger". The fact that someone went to the trouble of editing Grossman's entry to include references to this would seem to indicate that there are people who feel this is true.

Further, the article itself was located as a result of typing "Rex Grossman gu.." into Google, where "Rex Grossman gunslinger" is the #3 search term (behind "Rex Grossman guarantee", "Rex Grossman guarantee nfc east" and just after "Rex Grossman gut").



Well, I don't disagree with disliking many of those moves, but hindsight is 20/20. Signing McNabb was a risky move but one that a great deal of pundits thought would make us instant contenders. Nobody realized how far McNabb had fallen physically and the bigger issue probably turned out to be his attitude.

I'm one of those guys who thinks that the real issue with McNabb was that he refused to take direction from coaches. I read an an article that hinted that he'd always been this way in Philly, but Reid covered for him and for the most part, he used his physical attributes to brute force his way through bad decisions. But because he wouldn't take any coaching, and would just wave off instruction as "beneath him", be started to become less and less effective as he got older. What can you say, the guy was really good at saying the right things, and he was just too old to help us.

As for Haynesworth, I really don't understand what anyone can hang on Shanahan there. He didn't sign the guy. He made his intentions to switch to a 3-4 clear (and it's paying dividends now, so he seems validated) and they gave Fatal Bert plenty of opportunities, but Shanahan refused to kowtow to a spoiled player, and I think that was absolutely the right move. The inmates ran the asylum for far too long, and again, the discipline and cohesiveness we're seeing with this year's squad is proof that it was the right move.

LJ and Galloway, I mean, whatever, you bring in warm bodies for camp, if you think they can help you give them a shot. Hell, Gibbs brought in McCardell when he was 37. Lots of coaches bring in veteran players for a variety of reasons; they're cheap, they're experienced, they provide leadership and stabilize a team, and they're expendable if a young guy starts to shows promise and overtakes them.

I really can't say anything definitive about Davis being a non-factor last night except that I noticed it too and assumed he was just well covered the defense when he was in. It's safe to say teams know who he is now and he won't be able to get open quite so easily. Cooley has a lot of experience against Dallas so it would make sense to try and work him in often, but I agree with you that he's starting to look like he's really slowing down.

And my point was that there are clear incongruities in how individuals define what actually constitutes a "gunslinger". I don't care if you labeled him, or if it's the most searched topic on the web. In my definition,(you can reference previous posts if you care to refresh your memory)Rex Grossman is not a "gunslinger", plain and simple. He's simply a pathetic decision maker that suffers from tremorous bouts where he lacks any impulse control whatsoever.

And to everything else you wrote. It's like I'm always battling with an incarnation of the same person, spewing the same rhetoric, from the same sources, where virtually no independant thought is required. Everything is a reference from someone else, and it fast becomes boring and myopic. I could glean your perspective on these issues by funneling the mass consensus through the same narrow vortex. Your last post was a huge waist of time. If you want to know how I would respond to all the same points go to my post history. I'm done playing the redundancy game.