Smoot Lays the Smack Down

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Kyle Shanahan I knew he wasn't going to run just because it was the Eagles, because KS doesn't prepare his game plan based on the opponent's known weaknesses. Never has, never will. And I don't really have a problem with that. I do have a problem with not taking advantage of two solid backs in Torain and Helu. I do have a problem with ignoring one of football's basic tenents "When you're trying to get your new offensive line to gel, run the ball and let them get into their groove" I commend Locklear, Cook, and the rest of that makeshift line for the work they did today. Kyle didn't put them in a good spot. And I do have a problem with him trying to make Rex more than he is. If we were even tied at the half, I'm fully confident we win. But we put on Rex's shoulders, at home where you had to know he was going to get booed mercilessly, and that just isn't the right game plan. Sidenote: You just know that if Rex had that fumble Beck had, it would have gone back for 6. By the way, I thought Beck was fine but I still think he sells the play action horribly

As much as I can't stand Rex as a QB, I have to agree with you on this point. Not only did Kyle not prepare for the Eagles weakness but he made Rex try and do things he just is not capable of doing with much success. Rex needed run support and had it at his disposal and just did not get it. Thats on the coach. Not only would the run have helped Rex but was the recipe to beating the Eagles. Why the heck was the ball not put in the hands of Torain/Helu????

It was also evident that the Skins still had the sting of last years ass whip'n on their minds and played a hesitant type of game. They feared Vick and it showed. I expected so much aggression from the Skins D but it just was not there...

Not that we lost but the way we lost.

[SmootSmack]

Receivers were getting open, sometimes very open, on most of the passing plays. Problem was that by putting our selves in such a deep hole by not running we forced Rex to rush his reads and try to make big plays, coming from behind. And that's not his strength. That said though, Rex is a veteran starting QB in the NFL. I agree with playing to your QB's strengths, but there's a fine line between that and coddling.

[MTK]

I think there's a fine line between blaming playcalling and blaming Rex for bad execution/decision making. I lean more towards blaming Rex. Seems like these past few games he got away from having any patience and went back to the Rex of old thinking he can just chuck it all over the field.

It's like the deeper into the hole he went, he just kept making things worse and ended up burying himself.

[SmootSmack]

It evens out, there were interceptions that never should have been. Grossman has also thrown deep completions and TDs, so to say we shouldn't have been aggressive at that point is just 20/20 hindsight

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It evens out, there were interceptions that never should have been. Grossman has also thrown deep completions and TDs, so to say we shouldn't have been aggressive at that point is just 20/20 hindsight

Bottom line, the guy isn't an NFL starter. I've seen enough.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It evens out, there were interceptions that never should have been. Grossman has also thrown deep completions and TDs, so to say we shouldn't have been aggressive at that point is just 20/20 hindsight

My hindsight is better than most (20/10)….

Rex’s decision making is as bad as it gets. Theres being aggressive but smart and then theres being aggressive no matter the cost. Rex is the latter. I don’t put it on Rex though I put it on Kyle continually putting Rex in situations that don’t suit Rex’s strengths and expecting different outcomes.

[NC_Skins]

I have to say that I'm very disappointed in Kyle's game plan that featured so little running plays against a team who ranks very low on run defense. If you aren't going to game plan against weaknesses, then you won't be coaching in the NFL long.


Rex. Sweet baby jesus christ on a cracker. Dude should have been pulled at the half. Was absolutely horrible. I've said it time and time again about Rex. His pocket presence and mobility are absolutely horrible. Beck did a much better job in relief with just those two areas alone. I think it's time to put the Rex starting gig to rest now, and just let Beck roll with it to see what the kid has. If he craps the bed, we just draft a QB position and go from there. If he's much better than expected, we win games and possibly keep him as the starter until we can get somebody to study under him.


1st half defense. There was none. End of story. I hope Shanny makes these guys work their asses off next year's bye week because they surely sucked balls coming out of this years.

WRs- Not helping much at all with the costly drops. It's definitely time to upgrade this position.


I say our only bright spots were Gano, Rocca, and perhaps Fred Davis.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The 1st Half Defense: Couldn't believe it when Landry said after the game that they basically came out in the first half without any sense of purpose. Couldn't believe it because it showed. I know, I know Rex's interceptions tired them out early. That's total bull. The defense played sloppy the first half, missing tackles, completely whiffing when trying to jam a receiver (c'mon Barnes!), not diving after tipped balls. Seemed like Rocky was just standing there on the Celek tipped catch. And a makeshift OL for the Eagles, and we got almost zero pressure. I'll give them a stud for turning things around, but early on they looked ugly.

Yup. People want to excuse the defense for its studly second half performance and, instead, focus on the ineptitude of Rex. Okay, we held the Eagles to 20 - but we spotted them those right out of the gate. You don't think that effects how the rest of the game is played? A pass happy KS is faced with a 20 point deficit - you think "Okay, time to resurrect the run game" is running through his head at that point? We all knew that, for the team to succeed, Rex needed to be put in a a caretaker/game manager mode.

The defense came out and got torched putting all the worst elements of the team's offense to the forefront. 20 points over 4 quarters is acceptable. 20 points in the first half - including two long drives for TD's - is not. Good job turning it around, but that first half was abysmal and set the team up to lose. The ineptitude of Sexy Rexy did the rest.

[12thMan]

At the end of the day you can only put so much blame on Kyle. Rex Grossman is out there playing the game, not Kyle or Coach Shanny. I think we have a situation here where the offensive coordinator has his limitations and his chosen quarterback has even more.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

At the end of the day you can only put so much blame on Kyle. Rex Grossman is out there playing the game, not Kyle or Coach Shanny. I think we have a situation here where the offensive coordinator has his limitations and his chosen quarterback has even more.

Yeah I agree. There's plenty of blame to go around but in the end Rex is simply making horrible decisions out there. What happened to what he said a few weeks ago, that this offense is designed to get someone open on every play and his job is to stay patient and find him?

Lately that seems to be out the window and Rex is back to saying F it, I've got the best arm in the league and I can make any throw.

[skinsfan69]

Beck also can move around and with the injuries to the line his mobility is going to be crucial.

I'd also like to see a new play caller.

Again... the helmet to helmet hits are going to happen. It can't be avioded. That call on Orakpo should've gotten that ref suspended. Not only was it a god awful call but it was a momentum killer and had an effect on the outcome of the game.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Beck also can move around and with the injuries to the line his mobility is going to be crucial.

I'd also like to see a new play caller.

Again... the helmet to helmet hits are going to happen. It can't be avioded. That call on Orakpo should've gotten that ref suspended. Not only was it a god awful call but it was a momentum killer and had an effect on the outcome of the game.

Orakpo went helmet to helmet, so at least there was something substancial to flag. The problem was that the call of "roughing the passer" is incredibly generous there. Vick wasn't stepping into a throw to complete a pass, he was doing the only thing he could do to not be on his one yard line on the next play.

By the same token, Ronnie Brown was technically a "passer" on his goal line fumble against the 49ers, but he wasn't "roughed", he was tackled. If the passer is standing in the pocket and is defenseless, then give him protection on helmet to helmet. Once he flushes from the pocket, now the process of tackling gets more complicated, and I don't think you can flag helmet to helmet anymore at that point.

Brutal call.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Rex Grossman had a terrible game yesterday - - he deserved to be pulled.

The defense as a whole was "less than fully satisfactory" yesterday.

Here is something that bothered the Hell out of me in the 4th quarter...

The Skins had the ball with less than 9 minutes to play down 2 TDs. Last year - - and during training camp this year - - we all got to listen to lectures from the coaching staff about the importance of "offensive tempo".

OK, go watch yesterday's late 4th quarter and point out to me two plays where the "offensive tempo" was anything more than sleepwalking. Smoot lays down Smack; I am calling bulls[p]it on Mike Shanahan's lectures on "offensive tempo".

Memo to Coach Shanahan: If tempo means anything at all, you will be demoting a few guys from the offensive unit this week and delivering a few 10-EEE suppositories to several other guys.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Rex Grossman had a terrible game yesterday - - he deserved to be pulled.

The defense as a whole was "less than fully satisfactory" yesterday.

Here is something that bothered the Hell out of me in the 4th quarter...

The Skins had the ball with less than 9 minutes to play down 2 TDs. Last year - - and during training camp this year - - we all got to listen to lectures from the coaching staff about the importance of "offensive tempo".

OK, go watch yesterday's late 4th quarter and point out to me two plays where the "offensive tempo" was anything more than sleepwalking. Smoot lays down Smack; I am calling bulls[p]it on Mike Shanahan's lectures on "offensive tempo".

Memo to Coach Shanahan: If tempo means anything at all, you will be demoting a few guys from the offensive unit this week and delivering a few 10-EEE suppositories to several other guys.

Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? Where was the 2 min. drill? I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yeah. I'm not a Beck finatic but I was glad he came in and was able to do a little something. But was pissed me off more then anything was he came in with 12 min. to go of the game ..... and only musterd 2 drives? Where was the 2 min. drill? I'm expecting Payton Manning from either Grossman or Beck in the second yr of their tenure, no huddle offense drive the ball and we get more McNabb...... huddle up.... huddle up...... huddle up. Fail on the 2 min. drill.

The offense should've been in two-minute drill mode since Beck took over (a quarter too late IMO).