2012 QB Class

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Landry44

There is a lot to like about Matt Barkley, but out of all the qbs in this draft I think he's the most overrated. I'm going to give you my reasons why I like him and dislike him. He throws beautiful passes and he can do it on a consistent basis. He has a big arm and a quick release. He has good mobility. What I dislike about him is a footwork. He tends to throw the ball off his back foot a lot. I think that can be fixed with good coaching which believe we have. The problem I have with him is that he doesn't preform well when he's under pressure. Now do I believe he's a franchise qb? I really do believe he is. Do I think we should draft him if given the opportunity? Yes we definitely should. I just think that qbs like Nick Foles and RG3 are just as good.

Been watching ND vs. USC. Not impressed w/Barkley. Lots of bubble screens, speed outs and other quick passes under 10 yds that inflate numbers. At least three throws that weren't very tight at all (Kilmer-esque) with no pressure. Mobility is OK at NCAA, he'll get killed outside the pocket in the NFL. I think Barkley would benefit from another year in the NCAA. He will take some time to be successful at the next level. I don't see his upside as high as Bradford's. I wouldn't take him in this draft.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Been watching ND vs. USC. Not impressed w/Barkley. Lots of bubble screens, speed outs and other quick passes under 10 yds that inflate numbers. At least three throws that weren't very tight at all (Kilmer-esque) with no pressure. Mobility is OK at NCAA, he'll get killed outside the pocket in the NFL. I think Barkley would benefit from another year in the NCAA. He will take some time to be successful at the next level. I don't see his upside as high as Bradford's. I wouldn't take him in this draft.

IMO you nailed it, Sammy. There is a lot to like about Barkley such as his quick release. But he throws some ducks and has NCAA but not NFL speed. As he ages he will more and more resemble Grossman (who was somewhat mobile in college) in terms of mobility.

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Been watching ND vs. USC. Not impressed w/Barkley. Lots of bubble screens, speed outs and other quick passes under 10 yds that inflate numbers. At least three throws that weren't very tight at all (Kilmer-esque) with no pressure. Mobility is OK at NCAA, he'll get killed outside the pocket in the NFL. I think Barkley would benefit from another year in the NCAA. He will take some time to be successful at the next level. I don't see his upside as high as Bradford's. I wouldn't take him in this draft.

You got to look at his whole body of work and not just one game. This guy is solid all across the board. I just do not believe that he is as good as he's hyped up to be.

[SkinzWin]

Not to highjack the thread but I just wanted to point out this shirt my wife just bought. I didn't want to start a thread about the 2034 draft quite yet, but that's when he will be available, unless he goes as a junior. But I don't want to get my hopes too high at this point....



You may proceed talking about Matt Barkley's over-hypeness.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Not to highjack the thread but I just wanted to point out this shirt my wife just bought. I didn't want to start a thread about the 2034 draft quite yet, but that's when he will be available, unless he goes as a junior. But I don't want to get my hopes too high at this point....

Congrats!! We'll be expecting SB in 2035 for sure.

[53Fan]

Congratulations SkinzWin!

[budw38]

Congrads ... 2034 starts a run on Lombardi trophy's and Redskins Park !!
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[redsk1]

It's pretty tough to tell who is going to have success in the NFL, just ask paid NFL scouts and GM's. There's just as many misses as hits.

Outside of Luck, there are no gimmee's. I'll root for Russell Wilson b/c he's a hometown guy, but there's not too many QB's under 6 ft to have great success in the NFL. I'll trust MS on this one.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by redsk1

It's pretty tough to tell who is going to have success in the NFL, just ask paid NFL scouts and GM's. There's just as many misses as hits.

Outside of Luck, there are no gimmee's. I'll root for Russell Wilson b/c he's a hometown guy, but there's not too many QB's under 6 ft to have great success in the NFL. I'll trust MS on this one.

I agree with this post. Lately, I've been trying to catch more college games on TV to see some of the top QB prospects and I find that, other than Luck (who is tremendous), I'm not able to completely sell myself on any of the others. Don't get me wrong, there is a lot to like about a number of the current crop of star college QB's but, still, there are things about each of them that make me uneasy. For example:

Kellen Moore - He is one of the great college QB's of all time. Extremely productive. A winner. Yet size and arm strength are important in the pros and he is lacking in those areas. Could he succeed in the NFL? I think I'd be a fool to say he couldn't but he will have to overcome the physical attributes that he lacks.

Landry Jones - I was pleased to see him in a situation where he needed to lead a comeback against Texas Tech. I think I learned more about him because of that situation. I felt that he handled the pressure of the comeback well. He made some excellent throws to help get his team back in the game. He felt where the pass rush pressure was coming from and showed the strength to shake off tacklers and good footwork to elude them, as well, to make plays. I liked that.

Jones has a very strong arm. He can make all the necessary throws. He has very good size for the pros and he is apparently a better athlete than I thought.

On the negative side, his accuracy is inconsistent, he throws a flat deep ball, he tries to force throws a little too much, and he has not been as successful in the Red Zone as he should be.

Overall, I think that he has a chance to be a very good pro QB. Sometimes I think that the thing I hold against him most is that he is not Sam Bradford.

Matt Barkley - I really, really want to like Matt Barkley more than I do. Yet when I see him play, he looks like the dreaded "game manager" to me. He is very smart and polished. He makes a lot of good throws, if primarily dinky ones. Perhaps he's trapped in the offense USC runs. Remember the old joke: "Who was the only man to hold Michael Jordan under 20 points per game?" The correct answer is "Dean Smith." Is Lane Kiffin holding Barkley back?

Barkley has good size, a good arm, and a good brain. Some NFL team is going to pay to find out if he can become the leader of their team.

Robert Griffin, III - RGIII is a very intriguing prospect. He is such a phenomenal athlete at he QB position that teams may fear not picking him in the draft more than they fear picking him. He's not the most polished QB in the draft but he can make plays that the others couldn't dream of making. He is a running threat with big time arm. I think he throws the deep ball very well. He has the size teams like. He might be the best of the bunch behind Luck.

Nevertheless, I haven't yet seen enough of him to form a strong opinion about him as a prospect. From the little I've seen, I think that RGIII may have possibly have the tools to be an outstanding NFL QB.

[SmootSmack]

I'd actually be pretty surprised if RGIII even declared for this year's draft

[Big C]

i could see kirk cousins becoming a good game manager but not a lot more than that

[CultBrennan59]

Kirk Cousins impressed me this week.

Nick Foles is really impressive to me, he reminds me of a smarter Jay Cutler.

Landry Jones doesn't impress me, he over throws guys a lot.

I'm not sold on Tannehill, because he's only been a QB for a season and a half.

Matt Barkley looks like another Leinart, just with a stronger arm.

[Dirtbag59]

Anytime someone has to justify a QB by saying he's a winner I get scared in a way that guys do when getting set up on a blind date and the first thing you hear about the girl is she has a great personality.

I mean why don't people ever call Andrew Luck a winner? Look what he's done with that Stanford program in a sport where schools with high academic standards usually are at a huge disadvantage.

[skinsfan69]

Who is the guy on AZ? Really good thrower on a bad team.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Who is the guy on AZ? Really good thrower on a bad team.

John Skelton! He's probably starting this weekend...or maybe you meant Nick Foles