Mike Shanahan

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Typical Redskin fans fire the coach after 2 or 3 years and change it all over again. Hello thats why we suck so much because of the this disfunctional thinking. Most of you have not been a Redskins fan when we were a Super Bowl franchise so you dont know what its like to even be a fan of a Champion. So all you arm chair GM's and Coaches just sit back and drink your cheap beer and leave the coaching to the real coaches. Shanny will get us back to the winning ways and you can not expect him to be a miracle worker in just 2 years with this shit show we had here for 10 years. HTTR

SIR, I take issue with your.......Balderdashery.
Oh Wait...No I don't. I totally agree!
NICE post

[htownskinfan]

I've made it no secret of my dislike disappointment in shanny
A lot of people make a lot of good points on both sides of the argument.I do not want to see him fired now,but if we suck again next yr then it's time to reevaluate.If he makes another terrible qb choice then I think he absolutely needs to go or take his power away from him where he makes no personel descisions
If we go into next season and grossman is the starter I think my head will explode.Neither grossman or beck should be on this roster next yr.If we draft a rookie I don't want grossman keeping the seat warm,his turnover ratio is ridiculous


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[The Goat]

LMAO Instant = 2 years

[Landry44]

Originally Posted by The Goat

LMAO Instant = 2 years

You have to consider that Shanahan flipped over the roster and installed a new systems on both sides of the ball. Last year we didn't any free agency. This year we didn't have an off-season. You got to give the guy sometime to get things together.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You have to consider that Shanahan flipped over the roster and installed a new systems on both sides of the ball. Last year we didn't any free agency. This year we didn't have an off-season. You got to give the guy sometime to get things together.

Yeah but...he's just not a good coach at this stage. There are several coaches in the league that would have taken both the '10 and '11 Skins to 9 or 10 wins and probably the playoffs. Belichick. Peyton. McCarthy. Both Harbaughs IMO. That's just guys with jobs today.

I think if we had a real FO structure w/ a head coach that answered to the GM etc there would be a conversation at this point. Personally, I would ask Mike why he's still coaching. He didn't come out of retirement with a plan to win. He had/has no idea which QB could be successful in his system. He also chose a team that was built (well) for the 4-3 defense and blew it up. Why not go to a team with the 3-4 already installed?

I think the answer is because he gets total control of the Skins, which is really just about his ego. His supreme control of this franchise is more important than wins and it's all tied up with his firing in Denver and again a lot of ego. I hate to think how much time we'll waste with Shanahan. There are a lot of solid coaches out there, especially over the next few months, who could take this team places.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Landry44

You have to consider that Shanahan flipped over the roster and installed a new systems on both sides of the ball. Last year we didn't any free agency. This year we didn't have an off-season. You got to give the guy sometime to get things together.

If we had no free agency last year, that's on Shanahan because he was in charge.

If we had no off-season for acquisition this year, then where did Gaffney, Bowen, Cofield, and Wilson come from? It may have been compressed by the lockout but there still was a window for player acquisition.

I think that Shanahan deserves more time and patience but your excuses for him don't fly.

[SmootSmack]

Of course he came with a plan to win. He just didn't come with the intention of a short term fix. If we all wanted another Spags, Morriss, Haley fine. But I'm pretty sure we all wanted/want success over time. Not just one year and done.

And clinging to the 2009 defense is absurd in my opinion. Changes had to be made. Unless we wanted to hold on to the likes of Griffin, Montgomery, Wynn, Daniels (and more) just a little too long.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Of course he came with a plan to win. He just didn't come with the intention of a short term fix. If we all wanted another Spags, Morriss, Haley fine. But I'm pretty sure we all wanted/want success over time. Not just one year and done.

And clinging to the 2009 defense is absurd in my opinion. Changes had to be made. Unless we wanted to hold on to the likes of Griffin, Montgomery, Wynn, Daniels (and more) just a little too long.

Agreed. With the age of that defense the only way we were going was down anyway. I guarantee you if we had left that group in tact, 2010 would have put us over the cap because we would had to have signed medical equipment supply companies to huge companies with big cash guarantees to make sure we had enough walkers, canes, and Hoverrounds....

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Of course he came with a plan to win. He just didn't come with the intention of a short term fix. If we all wanted another Spags, Morriss, Haley fine. But I'm pretty sure we all wanted/want success over time. Not just one year and done.

And clinging to the 2009 defense is absurd in my opinion. Changes had to be made. Unless we wanted to hold on to the likes of Griffin, Montgomery, Wynn, Daniels (and more) just a little too long.

Certainly we needed to replace these guys, but that's a far cry from blowing up the defense and it utterly ignores the several other players of talent we had in that system. Carter, Zoe, AH and others would have continued to fortify the D line and then we added Rak, who would probably be well suited as a LDE in the 4-3.

...and yes I would take that defense over the one we have today. What we have today is woefully inconsistent and seemingly unable to be effective against several of the offenses we face every year, especially Dallas and Philly.

[The Goat]

I'm honestly shocked at the excuses made for Shanahan and his myriad mistakes over the last two seasons. Even if the roster today is somehow better than what he inherited, which I think is debatable but I'll accept it just for the sake of pragmatism, HE makes this a worse team than the one he inherited. By way of poor talent evaluation, especially at QB, poor time management, poor organizaing, poor decision-making with respect to muddying the team's issues with his family issues, and generally poor coaching overall. I just don't see whatever you all are seeing that evidently points to better times under Mike Shanahan.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'm honestly shocked at the excuses made for Shanahan and his myriad mistakes over the last two seasons. Even if the roster today is somehow better than what he inherited, which I think is debatable but I'll accept it just for the sake of pragmatism, HE makes this a worse team than the one he inherited. By way of poor talent evaluation, especially at QB, poor time management, poor organizaing, poor decision-making with respect to muddying the team's issues with his family issues, and generally poor coaching overall. I just don't see whatever you all are seeing that evidently points to better times under Mike Shanahan.

Muddying the team's issues with his family issues? Care to explain?

How about trading down in the draft for once and gaining draft picks and youth, instead of giving them away for overpriced FA's who are at the end of their careers? We have substantially cut the age of the roster. With as many problems as Cerrato left in his wake do you really expect us to turn everything around on a dime?

Was Kerrigan a mistake? No. Would Jarvis Jenkins have been a mistake if he hadn't been lost for the season? NO. Were Helu and Roster mistakes? Doesn't look like it. Your sake of pragmatism seems flawed to me.

I'm not saying he is the best coach ever, and yes he has made some bad personnel moves, ala McNabb, but for you do say "HE makes this a worse team than the one he inherited" is asinine.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Muddying the team's issues with his family issues? Care to explain?

How about trading down in the draft for once and gaining draft picks and youth, instead of giving them away for overpriced FA's who are at the end of their careers? We have substantially cut the age of the roster. With as many problems as Cerrato left in his wake do you really expect us to turn everything around on a dime?

Was Kerrigan a mistake? No. Would Jarvis Jenkins have been a mistake if he hadn't been lost for the season? NO. Were Helu and Roster mistakes? Doesn't look like it. Your sake of pragmatism seems flawed to me.

I'm not saying he is the best coach ever, and yes he has made some bad personnel moves, ala McNabb, but for you do say "HE makes this a worse team than the one he inherited" is asinine.

Bringing in his son to coach alongside him was stupid. Kyle was mostly unproven and two seasons of piss-poor offense here substantiate it. Also the fact Houstan improved after Kyle left. Now we're stuck w/ team Shanny.

Mike is hardly the first coach/GM here to trade down and acquire more picks.

If McNabb is the only personnel mistake you see...I don't know why I'm responding to you. Nevermind.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Bringing in his son to coach alongside him was stupid. Kyle was mostly unproven and two seasons of piss-poor offense here substantiate it. Also the fact Houstan improved after Kyle left. Now we're stuck w/ team Shanny.

Mike is hardly the first coach/GM here to trade down and acquire more picks.

If McNabb is the only personnel mistake you see...I don't know why I'm responding to you. Nevermind.

Houston Texans Offensive Rankings
2006 - 28th
2007 - 14th
2008 - 3rd (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2009 - 4th (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2010 - 3rd
2011 - 12th

Kyle was so unproved he took an offense into the top 5 in offense after having been 28th and 14th the previous two seasons. And I don't see where they've gotten substantially better since he's left do you?

Name me the last coach/GM that traded down in the draft for the Redskins?
I can tell you it hasn't been this century.

I was pointing out the most obvious one instead of listing everything. I see you failed to respond to the positive player personnel moves he has made that I talked about.

I think it's great to have good debate and discussion on this board between two people with opposing view points, but there's no need to be an asshat.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Houston Texans Offensive Rankings
2006 - 28th
2007 - 14th
2008 - 3rd (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2009 - 4th (Kyle Shanahan O coordinator)
2010 - 3rd
2011 - 12th

Kyle was so unproved he took an offense into the top 5 in offense after having been 28th and 14th the previous two seasons. And I don't see where they've gotten substantially better since he's left do you?

Name me the last coach/GM that traded down in the draft for the Redskins?
I can tell you it hasn't been this century.

I was pointing out the most obvious one instead of listing everything. I see you failed to respond to the positive player personnel moves he has made that I talked about.

I think it's great to have good debate and discussion on this board between two people with opposing view points, but there's no need to be an asshat.

Houston didn't miss Kyle one iota until Schaub and Andre Johnson went down...kinda obvious on that one bud.

Cerrato traded back when we took Kelly, Davis and whatshisname. So what? Trading back isn't exactly the mark of genius.

2011 was a good draft year. So what? We went 5-11 and still have the worst QB stable in football.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I'm honestly shocked at the excuses made for Shanahan and his myriad mistakes over the last two seasons. Even if the roster today is somehow better than what he inherited, which I think is debatable but I'll accept it just for the sake of pragmatism, HE makes this a worse team than the one he inherited. By way of poor talent evaluation, especially at QB, poor time management, poor organizaing, poor decision-making with respect to muddying the team's issues with his family issues, and generally poor coaching overall. I just don't see whatever you all are seeing that evidently points to better times under Mike Shanahan.

I'm with you,I don't see it either.And the argument the defense needed to be blown up anyway I don't agree with either
I haven't got to see the last 2 games because they weren't on here.But I here for the 2nd week in a row shanny challenged a play that was clearly not going to be overturned
Because we suck so bad it's not a big deal now but little screwups like that coupled with other bad coaching add up to cost u games and playoffs when it counts


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