Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[Schneed10]

To me it's a no brainer. You take Peyton Manning and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

You get one of the very best quarterbacks in NFL history. You don't have to give up anything but money, so you still get to make all your picks and continue building the team through the draft in a sane fashion. And signing Manning buys you three years to find the QB of the long term future.

With Griffin, yes you get a very talented player who can make plays on the ground and in the air. But you sacrifice a ton of (high) picks to do so. This team still needs talent, we're not one player away, even if that single player is a potential franchise QB.

And in the end, Griffin is an unknown commodity. Sure he seems like he'll translate to the NFL, but so did Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell and Tim Couch and Cade McNown and Ryan Leaf and on and on and on. To me, Manning's recovery is less of a question mark than whether Griffin will pan out. The stats don't lie, half of the QBs drafted in Round 1 become flops. So don't be so quick to dismiss that possibility with Griffin, I guarantee you the Bengals thought they had a good thing with Akili Smith, as did the Raiders with Russell.

If you want a precedent for this, look at Montana in Kansas City, they went to an AFC title game. Sometimes football is not that complicated. If the best player in NFL history (in my humble opinion) becomes available, you get him.

And think of it this way: if we miss on Griffin we're set back SIGNIFICANTLY in our efforts to return the team to the playoffs. If we miss on Manning and his neck doesn't pan out, at least we still will have filled our squad out with high picks. In the end, the downside with Manning is much less.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

To me it's a no brainer. You take Peyton Manning and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

You get one of the very best quarterbacks in NFL history. You don't have to give up anything but money, so you still get to make all your picks and continue building the team through the draft in a sane fashion. And signing Manning buys you three years to find the QB of the long term future.

With Griffin, yes you get a very talented player who can make plays on the ground and in the air. But you sacrifice a ton of (high) picks to do so. This team still needs talent, we're not one player away, even if that single player is a potential franchise QB.

And in the end, Griffin is an unknown commodity. Sure he seems like he'll translate to the NFL, but so did Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell and Tim Couch and Cade McNown and Ryan Leaf and on and on and on. To me, Manning's recovery is less of a question mark than whether Griffin will pan out. The stats don't lie, half of the QBs drafted in Round 1 become flops. So don't be so quick to dismiss that possibility with Griffin, I guarantee you the Bengals thought they had a good thing with Akili Smith, as did the Raiders with Russell.

If you want a precedent for this, look at Montana in Kansas City, they went to an AFC title game. Sometimes football is not that complicated. If the best player in NFL history (in my humble opinion) becomes available, you get him.

And think of it this way: if we miss on Griffin we're set back SIGNIFICANTLY in our efforts to return the team to the playoffs. If we miss on Manning and his neck doesn't pan out, at least we still will have filled our squad out with high picks. In the end, the downside with Manning is much less.

Good case, but the money spent on Manning will hamper their ability to sign other free agents that could end up being as valuable, if not more, than some of their draft picks. His health is a legitimate concern at this point.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Good case, but the money spent on Manning will hamper their ability to sign other free agents that could end up being as valuable, if not more, than some of their draft picks. His health is a legitimate concern at this point.

As far as I have seen. The latest number puts us at a projected 50m under the cap to sign our guys, acquire new FA's and sign draft picks.
To my knowledge from what has been reported in the media, Peyton is prepared to negotiate a Very Cap friendly deal. HEAVY in incentives. He is reportedly less concerned about the money than the situation into which he will play.

[biffle]

Originally Posted by Hog1

As far as I have seen. The latest number puts us at a projected 50m under the cap to sign our guys, acquire new FA's and sign draft picks.
To my knowledge from what has been reported in the media, Peyton is prepared to negotiate a Very Cap friendly deal. HEAVY in incentives. He is reportedly less concerned about the money than the situation into which he will play.

However accurate the 50 mil number is, it will go quicker than most realize. But that's beside the point. Cap room is cap room. If you don't spend it on one player, you can spend it on another (or multiple). There's no magical amount available at which point a huge contract to one player couldn't have gone elsewhere and is thus irrelevant in terms of team building.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Good case, but the money spent on Manning will hamper their ability to sign other free agents that could end up being as valuable, if not more, than some of their draft picks. His health is a legitimate concern at this point.

Legitimate concern, sure. But the probability of preventing him from playing like himself is no greater than the probability of Robert Griffin flopping.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Good case, but the money spent on Manning will hamper their ability to sign other free agents that could end up being as valuable, if not more, than some of their draft picks. His health is a legitimate concern at this point.

Come on folks PM is not going to command our whole available CAP money. On top of that we really don't need to go out and pick up 10 FA's. We need a Vet QB and WR. Then possibly a FS or CB. The rest I'd take in the draft and by trading back we'd get more picks.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

To me it's a no brainer. You take Peyton Manning and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

You get one of the very best quarterbacks in NFL history. You don't have to give up anything but money, so you still get to make all your picks and continue building the team through the draft in a sane fashion. And signing Manning buys you three years to find the QB of the long term future.

With Griffin, yes you get a very talented player who can make plays on the ground and in the air. But you sacrifice a ton of (high) picks to do so. This team still needs talent, we're not one player away, even if that single player is a potential franchise QB.

And in the end, Griffin is an unknown commodity. Sure he seems like he'll translate to the NFL, but so did Akili Smith and Jamarcus Russell and Tim Couch and Cade McNown and Ryan Leaf and on and on and on. To me, Manning's recovery is less of a question mark than whether Griffin will pan out. The stats don't lie, half of the QBs drafted in Round 1 become flops. So don't be so quick to dismiss that possibility with Griffin, I guarantee you the Bengals thought they had a good thing with Akili Smith, as did the Raiders with Russell.

If you want a precedent for this, look at Montana in Kansas City, they went to an AFC title game. Sometimes football is not that complicated. If the best player in NFL history (in my humble opinion) becomes available, you get him.

And think of it this way: if we miss on Griffin we're set back SIGNIFICANTLY in our efforts to return the team to the playoffs. If we miss on Manning and his neck doesn't pan out, at least we still will have filled our squad out with high picks. In the end, the downside with Manning is much less.

This.

Griffin is a (totally) unproven prospect. Hell, just a few months ago he was purportedly unsure whether he wanted to play in the NFL this year or go to law school...really?!

C'mon folks. You want your QB to eat, sleep and breath pro football. That's Peyton Manning. The only way he'll sign anywhere is if he believes in his own health/ability to lead his new team to a championship. If he's willing to play in Washington you sign him immediately and do everything you can to surround him with talent.

[44Deezel]

Can we all agree to a rule that no one is allowed to say, "Manning will get killed behind our O line"?

He was sacked 16 times in 2010. The Same O line gave up 35 last year.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Can we all agree to a rule that no one is allowed to say, "Manning will get killed behind our O line"?

He was sacked 16 times in 2010. The Same O line gave up 35 last year.

Pressure
   |     \
   |      \
   |       \
Sacks   Pass attempt
            |        \
            |         \
            |          \
      Incomplete    Complete


Hits and knockdowns come on pass attempts.

Sacks do not measure actual time or the [change in] the physical position of the rushers with respect to Manning. Manning might avoid sacks because he often releases the ball within 1 second, but that doesn't mean that Dlinemen weren't a split second from legally hitting him after the pass/incompletion.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Can we all agree to a rule that no one is allowed to say, "Manning will get killed behind our O line"?

He was sacked 16 times in 2010. The Same O line gave up 35 last year.

There is a difference between getting sacked and getting rushed or hit after the ball is delivered. But I'll say this..... PM will not hold on to the ball in the back field like a statue waiting to get hit. He'll make smarter decisions as to where to go with the ball. Plus he should be able to read the defense better then what we got now.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I"m sorry. I missed the 49ers being in the top 10 in the draft this year.





Insanity is doing the same things over and over expecting different results. I figured you guys would have "gotten it" over this past decade but apparently you long for the Cerrato era back again. *sighs*

Where did the 49ers pick in 2011? That's right 7th. Alex Smith had his best year as a pro, showed why he was drafted number 1 overall. All he needed was to have a coach believe in him. 49ers is a terrible example.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Where did the 49ers pick in 2011? That's right 7th. Alex Smith had his best year as a pro, showed why he was drafted number 1 overall. All he needed was to have a coach believe in him. 49ers is a terrible example.

The 49ers didn't make it to the NFC championship due to Alex Smith tearing it up. They made it on the back of their defense and their running game while asking Alex Smith not to blow it. Granted, he had a huge playoffs, but that's about it. That team was stacked. They didn't sell the farm for one guy. They've built that team from the draft and supplemented via FA. Which is what good teams do.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The 49ers didn't make it to the NFC championship due to Alex Smith tearing it up. They made it on the back of their defense and their running game while asking Alex Smith not to blow it. Granted, he had a huge playoffs, but that's about it. That team was stacked. They didn't sell the farm for one guy. They've built that team from the draft and supplemented via FA. Which is what good teams do.

They didn't have to sell the farm for one guy because they had the #1 overall pick to nab their QB.

I'm with Quake, the 49ers make a poor example of the point that you are trying to make.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

They didn't have to sell the farm for one guy because they had the #1 overall pick to nab their QB.

I'm with Quake, the 49ers make a poor example of the point that you are trying to make.

Alex SMith isn't a franchise QB. Which is my point that the team can still contend even with a busted guy at QB. The Chicago Bears made it to the Super Bowl with Rex "i'm going deep" Grossman. Why did they make it that far? Because they had a solid team beyond a QB.

My point is, I rather have a solid team and keep trying at the QB, than to keep rolling the dice and pissing away draft picks just for the mere chance that one day we land on the jackpot. Even if you do manage to land that jackpot one day, you won't have any talent on the team to go beyond because you have been pissing the picks away this whole time after your chase for the golden goose.

Pittsburgh, New England, Green Bay do it the right way. Look at our record and playoff wins the past decade, and look at theirs. Looks like they are doing something right. That is, being patient, building the team smart, and finally finding that QB.

[warriorzpath]

If the Browns don't get Manning or Flynn, they're mos definitely going to draft RGIII if he falls to them. Publicly the browns have said that they're not committed to McCoy as their quarterback. They're looking at the best qb option possible, so there's no way RGIII falls past pick 4 without the browns getting their hopeful franchise qb in free agency. Even then theres still a good chance they draft RGIII anyway.