Should Mike Shanahan Be Canonized?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I thought most experts had our expectation at 8-8 (at the very best) or so coming into this year, most fans did too. Going worst to first in the east would be a bit more than expected if you ask me. Add in a potential 7 game streak after being left for dead at 3-6.

Yeah but it's not like we activated Mike and Kyle off IR to save the team after Haslett led us to a disastrous 3-6 start. That was merely the fan perception around the situation at the time.

We're where we are today because the defense has been closer to average than awful in the last four games and the offense stopped the free fall it took into the bye week and has developed a pretty efficient passing game which was not there prior to the bye week.

The one coach that deserves the most credit for that, I believe, is Kyle Shanahan, but it is ultimately a full team effort.

[saden1]

This game had me worried but it turned out to be an exercise in play calling. Props to Kyle for a magnificent game plan and play calling.

[SmootSmack]

7 wins in a row? Two rookie QBs? Rookie RB? Missing the top WR for most of the year. Davis, Helu, Carriker, Orakpo also gone for much of the year...of course he'd get consideration.

That said I give to Carroll

[GTripp0012]

What happens to that 8-8 expectation when the division-favorite Eagles turn into a full-season disaster who we play twice a season?

We always had the talent for 9-10 wins this year. It looked real dismal at 3-6, but it turns out the team was underachieving at that point. They've overachieved the last five games. And the end result is now a two-game season against Philadelphia and Dallas to determine the NFC East. We're right where we're supposed to be.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What happens to that 8-8 expectation when the division-favorite Eagles turn into a full-season disaster who we play twice a season?

We always had the talent for 9-10 wins this year. It looked real dismal at 3-6, but it turns out the team was underachieving at that point. They've overachieved the last five games. And the end result is now a two-game season against Philadelphia and Dallas to determine the NFC East. We're right where we're supposed to be.

You were ready to fire him for his underachievement. (And called us morons for supporting him). Seems to me he should get commensurate praise for the over achievement.

Sorry, count me unimpressed woth your reasoning.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You were ready to fire him for his underachievement. (And called us morons for supporting him). Seems to me he should get commensurate praise for the over achievement.

Sorry, count me unimpressed woth your reasoning.

Just stop. No one called anyone a moron for supporting him. The specific comment you're refering to was directed at the idea that waiting five years (as opposed to three) was a wise move. Which remains every bit as moronic now as it was then.

The reason no one is talking about firing Mike Shanahan now is because he's winning games in year three, which is the baseline expectation for anyone who holds employment as an NFL head coach, including Zorn, Gibbs, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Turner. He's actually passed Zorn in winning percentage here, so good for him.

There's still a job to finish here, but the Redskins are back on the right track, so there's no imperative to make a change at the top right now.

The interesting discussion in the offseason will be where to go from here. And it will have to wait (hopefully) on the results of our playoff run.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Just stop. No one called anyone a moron for supporting him. The specific comment you're refering to was directed at the idea that waiting five years (as opposed to three) was a wise move. Which remains every bit as moronic now as it was then.

The reason no one is talking about firing Mike Shanahan now is because he's winning games in year three, which is the baseline expectation for anyone who holds employment as an NFL head coach, including Zorn, Gibbs, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Turner. He's actually passed Zorn in winning percentage here, so good for him.

There's still a job to finish here, but the Redskins are back on the right track, so there's no imperative to make a change at the top right now.

The interesting discussion in the offseason will be where to go from here. And it will have to wait (hopefully) on the results of our playoff run.

GTripp I love the insight and analysis you provide this forum.

But there will be no discussion regarding the Shanahan's in the off season even if we were to lose out from here. And your "no imperative to make a change at the top right now" statement is self-righteous BS. Your ego is exceeding your grasp of what's going on here.

IMHO

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

GTripp I love the insight and analysis you provide this forum.

But there will be no discussion regarding the Shanahan's in the off season even if we were to lose out from here. And your "no imperative to make a change at the top right now" statement is self-righteous BS. Your ego is exceeding your grasp of what's going on here.

IMHO

Agreed, but that's been the problem all along: a lack of accountability.

When you're winning games, accountability is something you talk about in a positive light. That's the difference now.

And this really isn't about me at all, but whatever.

[Hog1]

Kevin Sheehan brings up a great point in indicators for the health of an organization. You lose your starting rookie QB and your BU rookie QB (that you drafted) brings it home. Not to mention that 11 draft picks that you drafted contribute meaningfully.
And you shift gears in your O to match your QB and down the road you go.
Mike and Co and BA deserve a huge Attaboy for the turnaround that is in progress in DC currently............HTTR

[GTripp0012]

I think the incredible results of the 2012 draft class have somewhat masked the fact that the 2011 draft class took a large step back this year (and that the 2010 class took a step forward). You can see that the Redskins depth is moving in a positive direction overall at a lot of positions.

But that was my argument in favor of the Cousins pick on the day it was made. It was a depth pick, and it got crucified. Defensively, the Redskins actually have less depth now than they did in 2010, but at least they aren't a disaster in spite of their weaknesses. And the offense just put up 38 on a decent defensive team without it's starting quarterback and with the team's top receiving target on injured reserve.

[Chico23231]

bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan

In one of Mike's first presser's he stated this was a 5 year deal and thinking differently was foolish.........
Seems to be working out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan

I want to see them sustain it. If they can build up around Griffin without the benefit of any first round picks the next two years, then they've done a really good job.

Or if they win the Superbowl this year, I don't give a crap if they sustain it.

[RGIII]

Dude is looking like a genius right now.

[44ever]

All this team ever needed was a good QB, thats the big difference this season. Shanny deserves all the credit because he had the balls to finally brake the bank for a great QB (RG3). Not only that but took the insurance and drafted Cousins as well. Great job Shanny!