Cowboys DT charged with Intoxicated Manslaughter

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Please don't ever do that again.

What i meant is that i was probably legally intoxicated even though i was able to drive. If something had happened the law doesnt care though
Edit: i believe if i have two drinks in an hour i am legally intoxicated -

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

What i meant is that i was probably legally intoxicated even though i was able to drive. If something had happened the law doesnt care though

Don't sweat it; in the past now. Lucky nothing happen. I think a good majority of people have driven over the legal limit. I know I have in the past especially in my 20's not proud of it was a huge mistake. Lucky I never killed anyone. I am also not not going to lie and belittle others who admit to it.

Now in my 30's I see the light and rarely do I ever even have a beer unless I am at home and done driving for the day. Risk reward is not worth it by any means.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Please don't ever do that again.

I've regrettably made that decision before in the past. It was very common in my high school to drive home after parties. It was very very stupid and dangerous and I regret every moment of it.

When youre younger or live in the world of the elite (sports, entertainment, etc.) you tend to think you're invincible. I'm not giving excuses but just why I think some people drive drunk.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I've regrettably made that decision before in the past. It was very common in my high school to drive home after parties. It was very very stupid and dangerous and I regret every moment of it.

When youre younger or live in the world of the elite (sports, entertainment, etc.) you tend to think you're invincible. I'm not giving excuses but just why I think some people drive drunk.

You don't have to be elite to think your invincible and ok to drive drunk. Do you people realize how many people drive drunk on a given night? How many here have had 3 or 4 beers and driven? Does not take very much to hit .08. My guess is if you drink you have driven over the legal limit.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Everyone makes mistakes when they are young. the critical thing is to learn from them and not repeat them. Just because you "get away" with buzzed/drunk driving 99 times, doesnt make it less likely that you could get pulled over - or worse - kill someone or yourself, on the 100th. I have had friends and family members killed by drunk drivers. its simply not worth the risk.

[Monkeydad]

Killing someone is a little bigger than "just a mistake".

Driving drunk is not a "mistake", it's a damn stupid decision that you could pay for...but others shouldn't have to.

I have zero tolerance for drunk drivers. My wife and kids got t-boned by a drunk last year who went through a stop sign without even slowing down...thank God they were unharmed (car was totaled), but it should never have happened in the first place.

Even before that day, I had the same view on it. This just put it on concrete.

[SmootSmack]

Agree with BHA there

[FRPLG]

Plus he was drunk...not in the right mind seems like a fair conclusion. The thought process of some people baffles me. Why this woman thinks this is something that the public needs to know is beyond me. What's the point?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Regarding all these comments about Brent needing a support system and the team helping him... do any of you have jobs where, if you are drunk driving and kill someone, your employer will keep paying you and provide you with resources to help you?

It got me thinking about the NFLs system where players can a number and have a cab pick them up, free of charge, no questions asked. While i'd certainly rather players do that than drive junk, why the F--- is the NFL paying for this service? These players make enough money to call their own damn taxis.

Players dont deserve special privileges or considerations that aren't available to anyone else. a Actor/Athlete gets involved in something like this, and people act like they deserve some special sympathy... when joe schmoe does the same thing and he's a dirtbag.

I'm for those that say the NFL should throw this guy to the wolves. I believe everyone has good in them and hope Brent can serve his time, make changes in his life, and take actions to right the wrongs he committed. But its not the Cowboys/NFL/NFLPAs place to help him or provide him support. His friends and family can do that.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Regarding all these comments about Brent needing a support system and the team helping him... do any of you have jobs where, if you are drunk driving and kill someone, your employer will keep paying you and provide you with resources to help you?

It got me thinking about the NFLs system where players can a number and have a cab pick them up, free of charge, no questions asked. While i'd certainly rather players do that than drive junk, why the F--- is the NFL paying for this service? These players make enough money to call their own damn taxis.

Players dont deserve special privileges or considerations that aren't available to anyone else. a Actor/Athlete gets involved in something like this, and people act like they deserve some special sympathy... when joe schmoe does the same thing and he's a dirtbag.

I'm for those that say the NFL should throw this guy to the wolves. I believe everyone has good in them and hope Brent can serve his time, make changes in his life, and take actions to right the wrongs he committed. But its not the Cowboys/NFL/NFLPAs place to help him or provide him support. His friends and family can do that.

It is the fact they are seen as investments and because of this they get services to make sure they are kept safe. That is all it comes down to. You put millions of dollars into some one you want to make sure they stay safe no matter how dumb they are.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by donofriose

It is the fact they are seen as investments and because of this they get services to make sure they are kept safe. That is all it comes down to. You put millions of dollars into some one you want to make sure they stay safe no matter how dumb they are.

Thats a very good point. From a business perspective, it makes sense> it just bothers me from a moral perspective.

[SmootSmack]

Just a minor point, it's not free of charge

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Killing someone is a little bigger than "just a mistake".

Driving drunk is not a "mistake", it's a damn stupid decision that you could pay for...but others shouldn't have to.

I have zero tolerance for drunk drivers. My wife and kids got t-boned by a drunk last year who went through a stop sign without even slowing down...thank God they were unharmed (car was totaled), but it should never have happened in the first place.

Even before that day, I had the same view on it. This just put it on concrete.

I think we agree here that it's a horrible thing to do and it puts everyone in danger.

The real question is how do you cure this epidemic our nation deals with on a daily basis? I personally think crucifying the drivers isn't the only or long term solution. Dui laws continue to grow and I don't think we've had a significant change in the number of accidents and deaths (correct me if I'm wrong here).

To be honest, I think something radical like bha's proposal of making breathilizers manditory in all new cars is an interesting idea. Obviously doesn't stop all occurrences but its a start. And its something different.

Yeah, its sad we can't regulate ourselves and it would be some big brother ish but I think its better than what we have now. Call me whatever you want, but less deaths and less lives ruined to drunk driving is worth it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I think we agree here that it's a horrible thing to do and it puts everyone in danger.

The real question is how do you cure this epidemic our nation deals with on a daily basis? I personally think crucifying the drivers isn't the only or long term solution. Dui laws continue to grow and I don't think we've had a significant change in the number of accidents and deaths (correct me if I'm wrong here).

To be honest, I think something radical like bha's proposal of making breathilizers manditory in all new cars is an interesting idea. Obviously doesn't stop all occurrences but its a start. And its something different.

Yeah, its sad we can't regulate ourselves and it would be some big brother ish but I think its better than what we have now. Call me whatever you want, but less deaths and less lives ruined to drunk driving is worth it.

Deaths have dropped to an all time low. The number are skewed but that's another thread.


Not only did the number of people killed in drunk driving crashes in 2011 (9,878) drop by 2.5 percent from the number killed in 2010 (10,136), but this decline outpaced the 1.9 percent decrease in overall highway deaths. "Our efforts are paying off in lives saved and injuries prevented," added Withers.
Since MADD was founded in 1980, more than 300,000 lives have been saved as a result of efforts to strengthen drunk driving laws and raise awareness about this 100 percent preventable crime. In addition, since MADD's Campaign to Eliminate Drunk Driving was launched in 2006, we've seen an almost 27 percent decrease in drunk driving fatalities. The campaign includes three important components: 1) supporting high-visibility law enforcement efforts, such as sobriety checkpoints and NHTSA's nationwide 'Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over' campaign; 2) requiring ignition interlocks for all convicted drunk drivers; and 3) supporting the development of technology to automatically determine whether a driver is at or above the legal limit of .08 blood alcohol concentration (BAC).

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.

Thank you because that article seemed so absurd and twisted.