Is Brian Orakpo career as a Redskin possibly over

[Counter-Tre]

I would say he is done. Guy can't stay healthy unfortunately. Farewell 1/2 Sackpo.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Until Murphy proves himself I think it's a legit concern.

Yup. Haven't seen the impact out of Murphy yet that I hoped for. Now would be a great time for him to shine, it would show that we have one less problem to worry about for next year.

[NC_Skins]

I'm still amazed at how many fanboys think that Rak is our best defensive player...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd at least make a modest offer to Rak, but if someone wants to pay him more so be it.

What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.

[CrazyCanuck]

90% chance Orakpo is gone next year.

70% chance he signs in the NFC East.

50% chance he burns us at some point in the future.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.

What's the going rate for 3-4 OLB's that do nothing spectacularly but several things well? Who, due to injury, have missed the majority of two of the last four years?

I guess 5M/year. I dunno. I was thinking 4 yrs @ 4m/yr, 8M SB or something along those lines. I have no clue if that is realistic or a vast overpayment.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

What is your idea of a "modest" contract? Just curious at the numbers involved.




Me, I said last year 9.5mil/yr was about all I would be willing to offer, but I overshot that by a lot. I wouldn't offer him anything over 5.5-6mil/yr to be honest.

Maybe 6 or 7 per... although if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Maybe 6 or 7 per... although if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk

... and to be capable, he needs to show (1) an ability to cover in space; and (2) that he can keep folks from consistently doubling Kerrigan and/or Hatcher.

By the end of the year, if Murphy can win some 1 on 1's as a rusher and handle the coverage duties of an OLB in a 3-4 system w/o being a liability, Rak is pretty much superfluous.

[JoeRedskin]

As usual, excellent analysis by Keim:

Assessing Brian Orakpo's Washington Redskins career - ESPN

Rushing the passer is about more than sacks, and Orakpo influences the pass rush. But when you're being paid $11.45 million for one season and when you want to be paid even more, then you have to do more than set up others. You have to make game-changing plays. . . .

This is a playmakers' league, and Orakpo didn't make enough plays. He played the run well and didn't have any coverage mishaps, though he dropped an easy interception versus Arizona. . . .

In his first five seasons, Orakpo intercepted one pass and forced six fumbles (while recording 39.5 sacks). Some linebackers being paid the kind of money Orakpo seeks have forced the same number of turnovers in one season. . . .

He was a good player. The Redskins needed him to be great.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Maybe 6 or 7 per... although if Murphy shows he's capable just let him walk

I'm with you on Murphy. He's not shown it yet, and I have my doubts he ever will. I think he lacks the athletic ability to get the job done on the right side. He's better coming up the middle than on the sides.

[Evilgrin]

Can't overpay for production, good teams would walk away. He is making superstar money on the 1 year tender. We'd have been a lot better off it that money was spent on 2 or 3 decent players. Maybe he will end up in DeAngelo Hall territory, where no one is interested in him except us.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

This is who we should sign if the Lions don't franchise him:

Ndamukong Suh

no no no no no

[Big C]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As usual, excellent analysis by Keim:

Assessing Brian Orakpo's Washington Redskins career - ESPN

pretty much my point. 6 forced fumbles in his career? this is his 6th season, 1 per year. that is so far from elite its ridiculous. he has forced 7 turnovers in his nfl career. rob jackson has 8 career forced turnovers...that puts that in perspective.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

90% chance Orakpo is gone next year.

70% chance he signs in the NFC East.

50% chance he burns us at some point in the future.

Lol yup. Watch him go straight to Philly or NY, and then when Polumbus gets his job back by some miracle Rak will go ham on him, and make everyone go, "why the hell did we let him go?"

I think Rak could still be an effective player, but his best shot will be with a 4-3 team. He just ain't cutting it here.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Lol yup. Watch him go straight to Philly or NY, and then when Polumbus gets his job back by some miracle Rak will go ham on him, and make everyone go, "why the hell did we let him go?"

I think Rak could still be an effective player, but his best shot will be with a 4-3 team. He just ain't cutting it here.

Rak plays on the right side. He'd be facing Trent Williams. Name me a single time in his career he has beat a top LT for a sack. I'll be waiting.