RG3 is back

[WillH]

Originally Posted by tshile

Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...

It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.

We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.

When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.

Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

I agree with you to a point, but I think what you are not factoring in is how RG3 looked at the beginning of the season. He was struggling, and just before he got injured he started to show some signs that he was getting comfortable again. Now, coming back from an injury, and not having had the reps with the offense, he may not be where he needs to be to effectively lead this team. I think that is why people are saying he may not provide us the best chance of winning.

That said, I seriously hope he comes in and proves to everyone that he is a legit franchise QB. He needs to protect himself, he needs to protect the football, he needs to make some big plays, and he needs to show that he can operate in a pro offense.

I think he should start even if he isn't "Mentally prepared," because he needs to get reps with his offense. It is time for him to show that he is worth what we gave up to get him.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by WillH

I agree with you to a point, but I think what you are not factoring in is how RG3 looked at the beginning of the season. He was struggling, and just before he got injured he started to show some signs that he was getting comfortable again.

I am factoring that in, I'm just factoring it in as realizing the **entire team** has struggled all year up until the Dallas game. Even the Titans game was just bad, bad football; we won, but it was bad football by both teams. The defense had been putrid outside of the Jacksonville game until Dallas. The Special Teams was again striving for worst in league history; again until Dallas.

If we're to have a season all 3 phases of the team need to be on the ball. That includes Griffin. Seasons change on a whim. Momentum is a bitch. We may finally have some good momentum for the first time this year.

Originally Posted by WillH

Now, coming back from an injury, and not having had the reps with the offense, he may not be where he needs to be to effectively lead this team. I think that is why people are saying he may not provide us the best chance of winning.

To me, when a coach says the guy is ready, that means:
He's medically cleared and not at risk to injure himself
He's physically good, movement/mechanics are not going to be limited
He's got enough reps with the offense to be on the same page as them
In Griffin's case, due to his age and possition, I'd add: He's not in a state where he's likely to revert to bad habits/mechanics or someone stunt his growth (or even damage it) as a young quarterback.

So if he's ready. He's ready. If he's not ready and Gruden says he's ready, then we have a problem at the HC position.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tshile

Delay of games.
Calling the wrong play in the huddle.
Blowing timeouts to avoid even more delay of games.
Having multiple defensive stops/turnovers to start the game against an that offense, that coming into the game was really hot, but not capitalizing on them. Not capitalizing on this normally leads to losing the game later on...

It's not an opinion centered around stats, it's one centered around the eye test. McCoy just didn't look ready/prepared to me for quite a bit.

We stayed in the game because our defense played great from start to finish. And McCoy eventually settled in. But in the totality of the game, I personally am surprised Dallas wasn't able to get over the hump and eventually win.

When you listen to redskins fans and media you'd think McCoy had a lights out performance. That's just not what I saw at all.

Even more so, people are using the performance to justify not starting Griffin even if he is 'ready.' Which to me is absurd. To take that one game and walk away saying McCoy gives us a better chance to win than Griffin seems absurd to me. Yet, there are a lot of people doing it...

Colt got off to a rough start, not too surprising considering his first start in what 3 years? But he settled in and was as instrumental and leading the team to victory as anyone else on the team.

He got better as the game got along, something Cousins repeatedly failed to do.

If Griffin is healthy he should be the starter. He's undoubtedly our best QB, but Colt did everything asked of him. No need to dismiss him

[tshile]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Colt got off to a rough start, not too surprising considering his first start in what 3 years? But he settled in and was as instrumental and leading the team to victory as anyone else on the team.

He got better as the game got along, something Cousins repeatedly failed to do.

If Griffin is healthy he should be the starter. He's undoubtedly our best QB, but Colt did everything asked of him. No need to dismiss him

Agreed. Not trying to dismiss him at all. He did his job and arguably more.

But he's not the best quarterback on our team. And his performance on Monday night was not some exceptional performance that needs to be put up there as an argument that he should start over a 'ready' Griffin. And we're not a good enough team to risk that. Not yet, anyways.

There's a world of difference going into the bye 3-6 vs 4-5.

[Hog1]

Dallas is lucky it wasn't a....double digit loss
We left a lot of points on the table

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Dallas is lucky it wasn't a....double digit loss
We left a lot of points on the table

I agree. Defense and special teams put us in position in the first half where we should have probably scored 17-20 points. Colt really didnt do sh*t the first half.

While Im excited to hear about RG3 returning and I want him to play I want to stress this:


DO NOT EFFING PLAY HIM UNLESS HE IS 100% HEALTHY

[tshile]

yeah it seemed like the points we left on the table were because of mccoy though.

we should have been up 14+ at halftime. easily. defense was playing lights out first half and offense couldn't do anything.

i suppose i may just be weighing the first half too heavy, and the second too light.

[TheSmurfs22]

I wish they would hold off on RG3 until after the bye. Seems like devaju again.

[Evilgrin]

He needs game time, gotta find out if he can play. Shake off all the rust.

[tc2deuce]

You got to go with McCoy on Sunday (no question) RGIII is just going to be set up to fail if he starts IMO

[over the mountain]

''From a physical standpoint he looks good,'' Gruden said. ''Now it's a matter of mental and getting back into the football part of it. If he looks good in that regard, then there's a chance he could play. And, if not, if he needs another week, he'll take another week.''

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/full-pr...9642--nfl.html

two things really concern me:

1. coach gruden clearly states that RG3 needs to be (1) healthy and (2) has to prove he is mentally ready. The question isnt just whether RG3 is healthy or medically cleared. How could RG3 have already proven he is mentally ready by running the scout team last week and one walk through yesterday?

an RG3 offense is a lot different than a cousins or colt offense. The entire offense could benefit from re-adjusting to a RG3 style offense during the bye.

if we run that basic HS offense we ran in week 1, i think a lot of fans and d jax are not going to be happy.

2. a leak from multiple redskin sources? WTF? clearly gruden wanted to keep things under wraps but now, after 1 walk through, we have leaks in our house? i really hope gruden and allen find the leak and take care of it.



this is all water under the bridge if RG3 shows he can run gruden's offense and we win.

if he doesnt, i foresee a typical redskins off-field drama playing out in the media for weeks. .. and a lot more "leaks".

[Alvin Walton]

NFL.com front page is saying he is starting, so......

[skinsguy]

Glad RGIII is back! I wonder if McCoy's stock went up after these last two games?

Personally, I'd probably have started McCoy. If he was able to lead the 'skins to another win, then you're heading into a bye week at 4-5 with Tampa Bay on the other end of the bye. Perfect time for RGIII to make his return.

Playing devil's advocate, what if RGIII has a bad game against Minnesota and he's left to "think about it" throughout the bye? That might be worse on his confidence than to simply let him sit or at least let him serve as backup to McCoy for the Minnesota game.

Seeing as how these quarterbacks seem to do better coming off of the bench after the flow of the game has started, I'd almost start McCoy and maybe mix RGIII into the game plan depending upon how the game is going.

[punch it in]

When I say big picture i am referring not about next year but this year. Small picture - minn, bye week. Big picture - three division games, 49ers and colts down the stretch. Lets make sure Griff is prepared in every way for that stretch. TB will be a nice tune up game for Griff after the bye.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by punch it in

When I say big picture i am referring not about next year but this year. Small picture - minn, bye week. Big picture - three division games, 49ers and colts down the stretch. Lets make sure Griff is prepared in every way for that stretch. TB will be a nice tune up game for Griff after the bye.

If he's ready you put him in the game.

If he's not ready you don't. Opponent doesn't matter. Bye week doesn't matter. He's either ready or he's not.

You play the people that give you the best chance to win. The exception is when you've locked up a playoff seed, then you play people to get reps that may be needed in critical playoff positions.

We're 3-5. You play the people that give you the best chance to win.